I\'ve just completed Silent Hill 2... (spoilers)

... anyone wanna chat about it ?

I personnally thought it was cool ?

What ending did you lot get ?

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i Got the Leaving one , before i went to the final battle i waited to listen to everything mary was saying in that long corridor.

then i battled the boss which was maria and got the real letter from mary saying that she forgives you for the mercy killing and to live your life and start again

escaped silent hill alive with Laura

so it was kind of a happy / sad ending

not as tearful as in the water ending

which i think is the one you go Rich or maybe i am wrong

Yeah mine sucked. I listed to what Mary said in long cooridor but I also examined knife, listned to tape recorder and didn\'t charge much when I was weak hence crappy water ending.

What a cool game but I still don\'t understand the old reality switch and I wish it was more obvious like in Silent Hill 1. Why does that happen ?

I mean I understand the story but if the demons really did want to punish you wouldn\'t they make it bad all the time?

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well it seam that sillent hill is kind of like a gate way into hell infatc it is in many ways James own person HELL

tortured souls like james and indeed eddie are drawn to it to live out their worst nightmares in a town filled what they fear the most.

examples for james

most of the dead bodys are infact "clones" of  himself
the dead guy in the clock room next to the TV
the ones out side ect
like the one you get the appartment key from


also the Lying figure creatures although almost naked have the ware what apperies to have a roten version of marias lepord mini skirt.

also the fact that one of the creatures is indeed a mutant nurise refects on marys illness that took here life.



amyway if you want a better ending you sould DO the following

Heal yourself do not run aroubnd with your status in the RED
Protect Maria as much as possible
do not run into maria with a weapon
make shure she dose not get attacked
do not examin the knife angela give you
fllow maria as much as possible
do not listen to the tape recording in the alternative hotel room
also do not examin marys ketter or picture too much as it gives james suisidle tendises.

Yeah I know all that but im on about the actual siren. In SH1 it would go off and things would go crazy, in SH2 its the same but less. What is this siren thing thats what I want to know.

Its sort of like the demons decide to make it worse for a bit but then they make it normal.

http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/silent_hill_2_plot.txt

That is an interesting read but it doesn\'t actually mention the sirens.

Also Pyramid Head doesn\'t stare at me through bars in the apartment like a lot of people have mentioned. The first time I met PH was when you fight him in the apartment before the first time the siren goes off and he goes into the water.

Re-reply for bump factor...

Silent Hill 1 seems a lot more gruesome with the bodies hangin in square cages on the wall. Oh yeah and the first body at the beginning of the game hanging on barb wire fencing.

I wonder why Silent Hill 2 is the same, prehaps its due to its better graphics so they can\'t show extreme violence in fear of it being banned ?

EDIT - I\'ve just posted a reply to your reply to my review. So it seems we have two Silent Hill threads going at once.

i really enjoyed it too, i got the in water ending first!!! ive still gotta play it through again, but dmc, ssx tricky, pro evo, th3 have kept me busy.



it thought it was a bit weird as it was a sequel that it had nothing to do with first, as in nothing to do with sameul ( devil from the first) it was more about james punishing himself!!


rich do you know the real reason all the characters are in the game??

I think so. Like the monsters are there because they remind James of Mary\'s illness, hence nurse monsters and the like.

Also Eddie is there to remind James that killing is wrong. Not sure about wjhy Angela is there for James but it seems she has issues of her own, killing her own father and all. I think Laura just lives there or is waiting for Mary.

EDIT - Actually Angela is there to show that theres a option of commiting suciceed. At the end Angela accuses James of keeping the knife for himself which he only semi defends.

Also paramid head is there to excute James for his crimes.

Maria is there to die repeatly to show James how helpless he was just like when Mary was dying.

The question is when did Mary die 3 years ao or a week ago (Laura\'s letter suggests a week) and if it was a week it means James must have killed her a week ago ? Yet at the end James is talking to Mary, and in my ending she dies so he commits suciceed.

Go check out http://www.planetps2.com/shasylum. It\'s a very nice
site on the SH games with a board on which cool theories are
vented.

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There are some theories: all characters in the game are actually
already \'dead\', through the eyes of reality as we know it. It\'s a place between life and Hell : so the theory goes......
But fact is that Laura is the only one innocent, that\'s why she does not see/notice any monsters. She was in the same hospital as Mary. Both were terminally ill. Due to circumstances she wound up in the hell of Silent Hill, but she only sees a deserted town sans monsters, because she didn\'t commit a crime. Maria is somehow a creation for James by stranges forces. I guess we have to wait for the XBOX version until that will be revealed. Maria doesn\'t go into Pete\'s bowl-o-rama because she says she hates bowling : it\'s actually because she knows Eddie and Laura are inside and these two cannot SEE Maria, only James can !
The last scene in the Alternate Lakeview hotel with Angela is one of my favourites, actually Imo they\'re all great. Do you notice the
\'thing\' in the paintingframe at the side of the burning stairs ? that\'s the hellish projection of Angela\'s father covered under a white clothe. Angela killed her father because he sexually abused
her : notice the stain at crotch level on the clothe !
Anyway, somehow I got the "Maria ending" 3 times which is IMO
the worst ending. It\'s because James chooses to live with this unreal woman( let\'s face it, she dies several times in the game, to just pop up again !) So, he hasn\'t learned anything throughout the game : he doesn\'t really see his own guiltiness of killing Mary. Notice how Maria coughs at the end and James telling her to better get rid of it fast - She will \'die\' in the same way Mary did -
James will have to go through it again - in other words : an incentive to play the game again ! Can someone tell me about the "Dog ending" ?
Knotter8
PS try to run of stairs to quickly and James will fall (hilarious ! )
Try to kill Eddie at the Bowl-o-rama with the chainsaw while he\'s eating pizza : notice how Eddie doesn\'t mind and continue eating his air-floating pizza slice ! LOL

Yeah and some more interesting stuff is that...

Although I don\'t feel the characters are dead some of them are.

Apparently in the X-BOX version theres an extra game where Maria is "created". She at first doesn\'t know her purpose until a person she is speaking too (who is dead) tells her she can see him because she is also dead, a spirit. Then she starts to get Mary\'s memories of Laura and James.

Silent Hill is a town which punishes the guilty by being a town of their worst nightmares. So when Eddie comes to the town he sees people who are nasty to him, whilst James sees monsters who resembles nurses and deformed people (which in turn remind him of his late wife). This is why Laura doesn\'t see these. Being a child she has no guilt and therefore is just running around an empty deserted town (which in my opinion running around a deserted hospital would be fairly scary but she doesn\'t seem to mind).

Angela is a cool character. Theres a theory that she actually lives in Silent Hill, ran away and is now returning later, now the town is evil. So she sees her dad everywhere.

Its weird because as you said James sees Angela\'s dad as a monster whilst Angela would see that image as a man strapped to a wall.

Also apparently when James enters the hotel Mary\'s letter is blank. Its as though the so called letter signed by Mary to get him to come to Silent Hill never existed. If this is the case why would James go to Silent Hill? Was it too see his wife who was in hospital who died a week ago (according to Laura\'s letter), or was it to kill his wife and it was the thought of killing his wife that caused all the guilt?

Even with the plot explained, the town which feeds on your guilt theres still a lot of unanswered questions.

That\'s the wonderful thing about this game : ppl talk about all
sorts of theories behind the different storylines and characters, as if it were a novel, a movie or a mythical story.
Some ppl say Konami made a story with a lot of \'loose ends\'. In
a certain way, I think that is true. Some things will never be explained crystal clear. For xample : the sirens in the Brookhaven hospital really left an impression on me - it gave me this feeling of a big history which houses in SH. Something like a catastroph from the past. The green book at Texxon gas station tells about such a thing from SH\'s past. It also reminded me of the Nazi camps during the holocaust, that\'s scary. Anyway the sirens made me feel like there is a \'weighty\' history which leaves it\'s mark on all that is Silent Hill.
But I would be really surprised if they\'d actaully pull something like that of, through the XBOX version !
But on the other hand ; that could ruin the \'mystique\' of the Silent
Hill story. The XBOX version can also turn off the \'film grain\' filter,
which is imo a shame because  the grain fx are what makes the game stand out graphics-wise. It makes me forget I\'m watchin polygons ; that\'s a graphical milestone for vgame graphics in my book !
The only big down in SH2 is the environment\'s lack of interactivity, but the game \'leads\' the player in such a good way, that can be forgiven.
Knotter8:cool:

well the real reason those people are there are as follows


eddie - to remind james he is a killer

angela - to try to make jame punish himself for killing mary, as in suicide

maria -  the way jame wanted mary to be, as in full of life, sexy etc
, also to remind james mary is dead, as shje keeps dying

laura - not so sure, cant remeber why, but she has no danger to herself as she has never sinned, therefore see no monsters ( i think she is there to show mary, as in being pure)

Yeah its great how the game has loose ends.

If you look in the SH Historical Society building you can read about how the Hospital was built to cater for people with plague and it slowly expanded. So you can imagine that place to have seen many deaths.

Also the grain filter thing can also be turned off in the PS2 version. In the options menu after completing the game theres a certain combination of buttons you can press to get that option to appear. I can\'t remember what they were but I read about it on the GameFAQ boards.

The airraid siren is something about the first game. A demon called Samual can create this world and theres some item called the fluous or something which caused it to go bad. Im not quite sure the first game story is a lot more confusing.

I got the water ending

It scared the crap out of me but I cant stop playin it!

p.s. I\'m new here, great forum

press one of the shoulder buttons in the options menu to bring up the alt. menu with blood colour and stuff