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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2002, 09:37:28 PM »
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This is mainly for hobbiest development of applications and games.  This isn\'t for a person wanting to use StarOffice on the PS2.  So I\'d have to say YOU are the dumbest thing recently.



LIC was just giving his opinion on the whole matter, no need to start name calling:rolleyes: .  Well I\'m sure some people will like the kit but I think it will just be a select few.

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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2002, 10:22:35 PM »
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What makes you think PS2 games will save in FAT/DOS/NTFS format?


I misspoke. I read some more on it, and evidently you have to create a partition for it. Evidently you can still run into problems with it though. Bottom line this will sell a few units, but will not sell for the most part.

Unless you are running linux, and programming say opengl games. This is probably going to be useless to you. Unless of course you want to brag that you are surfing porn on your ps2.

Who knows. I have included the link talking about a ffx install, and the linux kit. I still have seen no info talking about online gaming. There is a utility disk coming with the online hdd, and broadband. I imagine this is going to format the disk. It will be interesting how well this disk gets along with the partitions linux installs.

http://ps2dev.sytes.net:8080/ps2linux/mlarchive/pslinux-ml/msg01961.html

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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2002, 11:19:54 PM »
I don\'t know what filesystem Sony plans to implement or how they plan on carrying out on their HD.  But with a keyboard, you could probably partition the thing yourself.

I\'d like to know what all is possible on it myself.  It may have some advantages to programming on an x86 PC.
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2002, 08:54:48 AM »
Why not...? Sure I\'ll buy one...
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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2002, 09:44:40 AM »
Okay, lets establish some things here.

  • The comment that you can\'t get a PC, with broadband connection, use applications,,etc,etc for less than $350. Well, actually that is wrong. If you want to run LInux, just go get a cheap 486.  After the time you pay for a PS2, the KIT and everything, you\'ve went over the price you\'d pay for a 486 and a copy of Linux (if you don\'t download a free copy of it!). And for the record, as for a "cheap PC" notion, the average family or average Joe still isn\'t going to find a PS2 Linux very useful, when they decide they want to run some applications that require Windoze. Nevermind the fact, that Linux isn\'t exactly user-friendly to the "average computer" user. All the above facts, limit out the PS2 Linux as a cheap computer to the average family.
  • How many people are going to find a useful reason for this? Please, don\'t give me the whole garage developers. We all know the PS2 is the most complicated system out there to develop for and it takes professional teams years to come up with decent looking games - so how many teenage garage developers are going to come up with the "next big thing" on their PS2 Linux kit? Sure, it sounds all great and everything - having the option to develop your own games, but lets face it, it is quite useless to the mainstream. Sony tried this with Net Yaroze for the Psone, it was a failure. \'Nuff said.
  • This isn\'t Japan, the market is a lot different. The Japanese market is all over items such as thing, where as the US market will look and it and wonder what exactly is the point. It will be extremely intereseting (and funny, I imagine) to see the sells for this kit once it is released in the USA.

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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2002, 10:27:53 AM »
Living, you are living in some kind of dream world.  Do you actually think Sony expects to sell 500,000 of these things?  No, they know the market they are catering too, the article even says the poll Sony made showed about 28,000 expressed interest in the kit.

Net Yaroze wasn\'t a huge success, but for people that were interested in it it was awesome.

IMO, you seem to think this is a bad idea merely because it\'s not going to sell a million units and be a big hit.  Heaven forbid Sony want to cater to a little niche community that has an interest in doing this kind of thing.  Maybe other people are claiming this is trying to push PS2 as an alternative PC, but I\'m not, that is no way, shape, or form what this is attempting to do.  It\'s a little niche development platform for hobbiests, plain and simple.

You get docs on the EE, the GS, the vector units, everything (at least you did in the Japanese Linux kit, I\'d assume you\'d get the same docs in the US version - though perhaps not the more recent revision).  I don\'t think anyone expects some teenager in his dorm room to spit out an RPG like FFX.  But there are some people that like to think in their spare time and messing around with something like that is intriguing, especially for the price point relative to a "real" development system.

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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2002, 10:35:05 AM »
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Living, you are living in some kind of dream world.  Do you actually think Sony expects to sell 500,000 of these things?  No, they know the market they are catering too, the article even says the poll Sony made showed about 28,000 expressed interest in the kit.

Net Yaroze wasn\'t a huge success, but for people that were interested in it it was awesome.

IMO, you seem to think this is a bad idea merely because it\'s not going to sell a million units and be a big hit.  Heaven forbid Sony want to cater to a little niche community that has an interest in doing this kind of thing.  Maybe other people are claiming this is trying to push PS2 as an alternative PC, but I\'m not, that is no way, shape, or form what this is attempting to do.  It\'s a little niche development platform for hobbiests, plain and simple.

You get docs on the EE, the GS, the vector units, everything (at least you did in the Japanese Linux kit, I\'d assume you\'d get the same docs in the US version - though perhaps not the more recent revision).  I don\'t think anyone expects some teenager in his dorm room to spit out an RPG like FFX.  But there are some people that like to think in their spare time and messing around with something like that is intriguing, especially for the price point relative to a "real" development system.


Are you honestly so naive to think Sony is wanting to cater to a niche market?  They are in a business and they need to make a good amount of profit off whatever they sell . They cannot do that catering to a niche market.

Sony is testing the market, with the intial release. In my opinion, they\'ll release enough to test the market, find out its a total failure and give up on the whole idea of a public development for the PS2 - which is what they should of done when the idea of this came across.

Plain and simple: Companies or their products cannot be commercialy succesful and profitable when delivering and catering towards a niche\' market only.

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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2002, 02:18:15 PM »
Actually, LIC, I imagine no matter how many units are sold they\'ll be making money on each one.

Keyboard = $20
HD/ethernet = $100
Mouse = $20
Linux = FREE GPL/GNU License
Sony\'s Software Libraries and Compilers = FREE

All of those together don\'t add up to $300 U.S.  And on top of that there are other things you can do with a Linux machine, especially if you have a broadband connection.
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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2002, 02:31:31 PM »
Why are you against "public development" as you term it?  What\'s so bad about it?

It seems like you\'re violently opposed to anyone except a huge corporate 3rd party getting their hands on something that can help them code for the PS2.

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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2002, 03:08:49 PM »
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Originally posted by nikos

If it can make me some coffee as well, I don\'t care.. I\'ll leave my coffee machine do that.


Linux CAN make coffe..:
http://linux.se/doc/HOWTO/mini/Coffee.html  :cool:
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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2002, 03:17:02 PM »
teiresias: You are right..
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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2002, 05:00:17 PM »
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The Linux kit will sell for $299 U.S. so sayeth Sony: yahoo news release

And if you think all Linux is good for is Star Office, you have a lot to learn, junior.



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Actually, LIC, I imagine no matter how many units are sold they\'ll be making money on each one.

Keyboard = $20
HD/ethernet = $100
Mouse = $20
Linux = FREE GPL/GNU License
Sony\'s Software Libraries and Compilers = FREE

All of those together don\'t add up to $300 U.S.  And on top of that there are other things you can do with a Linux machine, especially if you have a broadband connection.




I can dig up a url if need be, but this linux is not going to be open source. If this were a true open source then it would be a pirates dream. The linux os is held on the dvd. It does temporary files, specific machine settings,and etc on the local disk, but the os can not be recompiled or anything of that sort. This is just so you can surf for porn, and do some basic compiling like glquake etc... Which by the way I saw an old glhexen that would work on the ps2.


Also if you do some research yourself. This system still has all the copyright schemes in place. I even read one japanese page that said it would not recognize ordinary cd\'s.

So what exactly are you going to do with this broadband connection with a closed end linux machine? I would really like to know.

As far as your figures go. It comes to 140 total, and this is a sony specific linux. It did cost them some money to develop the os. It did not just magically appear one day. So if you figure 60 us dollars for the linux os it is not that bad. It would not be that different than developing a game. Just because the linux kernel is free to use does not mean the programmers worked for free.

Here is a quote from the yahoo page you quoted from.
"Sony aims to expand the role of PlayStation as a technology and allow more applications such as word processing."

Of what use is word processing if you can not print the document afterwards? I have seen no pages talking about printers, and I have been skimming the japanese pages ala babelfish, and none mention a printer.

By the way I am offended by the idea of turning any console system into a computer. I am a firm believer that once they do this then the industry will follow the pc path with games, and patches. I want a game that works right the first time, and a game that I don\'t have to patch the day it is released.  IMHO it has killed the pc games in the past few years, and if the console market goes the same way. Then I will probably leave gaming. I hate the thoughts of paying for betaware.

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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2002, 05:39:10 PM »
I think this is cool
Hopefully we\'ll see some MP3 and VCD players soon.

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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2002, 07:22:15 PM »
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I think this is cool
Hopefully we\'ll see some MP3 and VCD players soon.


I remember reading that the online kit would do mp3\'s.

As far as vcd goes. That is sort of a dead technology, but I can see no reason why the linux kit would not do it. The problem is you will still be watching it on a computer monitor, and you can already do that on your computer.

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« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2002, 07:40:27 PM »
*wisper*
DivX please :)
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