A short bit on piracy.

The problem with the arguement about making backups for legal purposes, it it creates a situation where it becomes far too easy and attractive to become a pirate, and start copying games.  Once you\'ve modded your PS2, and it now works with backups, next time you rent a game, and it\'s only so/so, you will be a lot more tempted to copy it.  It is almost impossible for anyone to stop you from doing so, especially if mod chips become legal.  However, if companies make it policy to replace damaged or broken CDs at cost, then you really can\'t use the excuse that \'it\'s yours and you can do whatever you want\', because you really don\'t have a reason to do so.  I have the same view about handguns and assault rifles in the US, \'I can own a gun, it\'s my right, I want it\', but you never really need to own an M16.

As soon as a larger percentage of game players stop paying for games, we will see a downturn in releasing by small companies, and a loss of quality from the bigger ones.  Eventually, these companies are going to have to make legal-jargon agreements to sell you a game, I\'m sure, and one of the points will be that the 50 bucks you pay is an indefinite loan from the company, and that they maintain all rights of ownership over their CDs.

As for music piracy, well, to be fair/honest, I probably have a hundred or so songs that I don\'t own on my computer; however, I make the songs myself, once, off the radio, so that I have a copy that has been made public domain, then I download the higher quality version.  I don\'t think I hurt the industry for the simple reason that my CD library is over 250 CDs, and I buy between 15 and 30 new music CDs every year.  As soon as I like 3 or more songs on an album, I tend to buy it.

Even music industry reps have gone on the record as saying that that is not the kind of piracy they are mainly trying to fight, but rather they try and fight people who download or rip entire CDs, and never purchase CDs.  The music industy is (within 5 years), in my opinion, going to begin selling rights to songs individually, especially with the size of new media coming out, because, as I said, it\'s the only way to fight music piracy (for the simple reason that it\'s so easy, so many people do it).  They will make it so you will go into a music store, and order a CD or DVD, with 20 or 200 songs, and you will pay X amount per song.

@ mm: "...if someone puts a chip in thier console to play thier "legal" backup, whats going to stop them from playing other "illegal" backups..."
Your point of view is like: If someone owns a knife to cut a steak, what´s going to stop him from killing somebody ?
And that´s not correct ! It is my right to own and use a copy !!!
There are too many limits in our society today - let´s stop this, before the "Big Brother" is watching you !!!
I hope you got my point of view...

that is really good information to know.  That does make me happy to know that I can get FFX replaced most likely.  I will go about doing that.  Once again, thank you for posting that info

I agree with the eye. You cant stop people from doing what they want to do weather it be leagle or not. Every person has the right to make thier own decisions weather they be right or wrong. I personaly dont have a chip in my Ps2 for the sake of the long run ( it voids the warrenty ). Just let them people have thier way and eventualy they will get caught. If i were to buy matches whats to stop me from burning down a building.

Well, that´s not quite the same I mean... it IS legal to own a copy (of your stuff) and it IS legal to mod your PS2 to play it - and that´s OK !!!
Killing somebody with a Knife isn´t OK... only in GTA3...

If thats true dose anyone know where i should turn to get a new GTA3 in Sweaden.

Originally posted by mm
music? or gaming?

i got no beef with music pirating
TOO many times i bought a bands 16$ CD just to realize the ONLY good song was the one on the radio  

too many crappy CD\'s out there we got tricked into buying

how many games u get "tricked" into buying?

This wasn\'t even worth a post. Like someone said, either you all 100% for piracy or 100% against piracy.

As far as paying $16 for a cd for it ot be crap..in your words.."suck it up" and just accept the fact you bought a POS.

You have never bought a vid-game that was hyped up and was actually crap? If so, I ind that hard to believe.

Originally posted by FatalXception
The problem with the arguement about making backups for legal purposes, it it creates a situation where it becomes far too easy and attractive to become a pirate, and start copying games.  Once you\'ve modded your PS2, and it now works with backups, next time you rent a game, and it\'s only so/so, you will be a lot more tempted to copy it.  It is almost impossible for anyone to stop you from doing so, especially if mod chips become legal.  However, if companies make it policy to replace damaged or broken CDs at cost, then you really can\'t use the excuse that \'it\'s yours and you can do whatever you want\', because you really don\'t have a reason to do so.  I have the same view about handguns and assault rifles in the US, \'I can own a gun, it\'s my right, I want it\', but you never really need to own an M16.

As soon as a larger percentage of game players stop paying for games, we will see a downturn in releasing by small companies, and a loss of quality from the bigger ones.  Eventually, these companies are going to have to make legal-jargon agreements to sell you a game, I\'m sure, and one of the points will be that the 50 bucks you pay is an indefinite loan from the company, and that they maintain all rights of ownership over their CDs.

As for music piracy, well, to be fair/honest, I probably have a hundred or so songs that I don\'t own on my computer; however, I make the songs myself, once, off the radio, so that I have a copy that has been made public domain, then I download the higher quality version.  I don\'t think I hurt the industry for the simple reason that my CD library is over 250 CDs, and I buy between 15 and 30 new music CDs every year.  As soon as I like 3 or more songs on an album, I tend to buy it.

Even music industry reps have gone on the record as saying that that is not the kind of piracy they are mainly trying to fight, but rather they try and fight people who download or rip entire CDs, and never purchase CDs.  The music industy is (within 5 years), in my opinion, going to begin selling rights to songs individually, especially with the size of new media coming out, because, as I said, it\'s the only way to fight music piracy (for the simple reason that it\'s so easy, so many people do it).  They will make it so you will go into a music store, and order a CD or DVD, with 20 or 200 songs, and you will pay X amount per song.

My whole point is that I should not even need a point to do whatever I want with things I\'ve purchased with my own money.
It should be my right.

So what you are saying is basically that I shouldn\'t be able to tune/modify my car to go faster coz that will make it easier for me to drive over the speed limit. It\'s a stupid argument. Maybe we should make it illegal to modify almost everything we own then.

Piracy has gone on since the dawn of videogames and it will always play a part. It\'s not pirates who drive the prices of games up coz the industry can\'t possibly know how much they\'re really losing and if there was no piracy at all, most probably the games would become more expensive coz developers could get away with it.
Every year the industry gets bigger and makes more money so saying that pirates push the prices up is a bunch of BS IMO.

I\'ve said it before and I\'ll say it again, *******s don\'t play backups, people do.

im 100% against videogame piracy, and 100% for music piracy

enough?

Originally posted by mm
im 100% against videogame piracy, and 100% for music piracy

enough?

I don\'t quide understood what you meant by that... maybe my english is not helping me but..
If you are against videogame piracy but not against music piracy, heh, you really should reconsider all your beliefs because i really thing we\'re talking about the same damn thing here..... ENTERTAINMENT. Be it videogames, music, or a night out with your friends.... Its entertainment..


If you are saying that you\'re against both music and videogames, then I honestly do not believe you because you mean you don\'t have ANY copied tape, NO copied audio CD and no MP3 files downloaded from the web whatsoever.......

music industry has turned to crap in the last few years
i refuse to pay 13$ for 1-2 good songs and 10+ mediochre ones

i havent heard a "new" band in the last year that i liked more than the ONE single they out out

its ALL over-produced crap

the videogame industry has redeamed itself [except nintendo] repeatedly

so i\'m:

pro music piracy
anti videogame piracy

call me hypocritical, *shrugs*

yup..hypocrite. Just because something sucks doesnt mean its ok to pirate it instead.

Maybe for the people that pirate games, they think games suck and refuse to spend $50 on a chitty game.

its a perception of value

13$ for maybe two good songs?

plus i dont see my local blockbuster renting music CD\'s so i can try them before i buy, huh?

im very jaded against the music industry and would go to great lengths to see them realize they\'ve been ripping off thier artists and customers for decades

oh, come on......
The music companies are not ripping anyone off so get over it.
If you\'re a good artist you\'re gonna sell millions, if not, then thats it, thats life.

And the music companies ripping you off, I don\'t see how.. Maybe the music you listen at is not MEANT to have many nice songs on an album. If you buy an album from a dance artist you don\'t expect all songs to be nice. If however you buy a heavy metal album, most of the songs (if you\'re in that kind of music) are nice, same with punk etc.

But thats the way it is for decades, not the 3 years that you mention.
Now if you expect Britney Spears or NSYNC to have an album full of great songs, then tough luck.

The thing with renting is absolute nonsense. In most countries you can not rent a game so I don\'t accept that as an argument.
As far as the renting of an audio cd is concearned, why don\'t you LISTEN TO THE RADIO for the songs you want, or download them from the web and DELETE them after 3-4 times playing them.

And apart from that, when you go to a restaurant do you return the food if you don\'t like it??? NO, like you said, you suck it up and admit you ordered a bad meal. Why do you have to try before you buy? Or maybe when you go to the cinema and you don\'t like the movie, do you get your money back or something?


I\'m not saying I\'m a pirate. YES, I like to play games without having to pay with them, as does EVERYBODY. Who DOESN"T like going to watch a football match without having to pay the ticket? Cinema? Free drinks? Free cable TV?

Everybody loves free stuff, and I trully believe everybody who says they hate free games are hipocrites. I\'m not a pirate, but I will never say I hate piracy.

And please, don\'t tell me that you actually PAID for your Windows, Office, CD Burner application, and all the pc games you might have played....


So all this piracy is baaaaad and stuff, thats a bunch of bullcrap.
If Sony can\'t make a new game, someone else will. Ppl say the dreamcast died because of backups. Yeah right. Why didn\'t the PSX die because of the backups?


I have a particular love for originals for some strange reason. The backups don\'t make me wanna play them after an hour or so. But with an original, its different, its like I have a motive to play.
I\'m lucky enough to be able to financially support my entertainment to a far extended field than just video games. When I want to do something with in reasonable limits, I do it. However, even though I don\'t need piracy I can understand people who do support pirates because i can see their point.

im sorry but i cant seem to read past yer opening paragraph, too long

anyways, if you dont feel the music industry has ripped you off than either

a: yer too young to remember the way things used to be
b: you dont mind paying for recycled music

the mp3 revolution was a shot to the heart [wallet] for the music industry [labels] and im glad to see them suffer

i support my favorite bands over the years and ONLY bought from local music stores.  death to virgin/atlantic and sam goody i say