OMG, Nuff said, No really OMG, I just bought PSW #16 for the simple reason it has DVD quality footage of VF4, I have just finished watching it and it is the most impressive fighter of all time, the effects and detail are in another league, the ps2 version of vf4 kills the arcade version Tekken 4, I know which ill be getting, as you can tell im in shock and really looking forward to this game even more..... I also had a quick look at the new Knockout kings and that looks like its gonna be a winner, the pace has been uped and the characters get good wear and tear on there face as they get battered. everyone need to get PSW #16. Im off to lay down.