Virtua Fighter 4.1 planned for Xbox:

Originally posted by Lord Nicon


Ps2 peak now? I\'m not trying to diss you or anything but its plain as day that you dont like anything except xbox. Are you biased? Im not so sure but im glad that this statement is only an opinion. Why do you think all these people praise their ps2\'s?

FYI, I have a PS2.  I like it, but graphically it will be outpaced as it has already.  Games are games, granted but developers will eventually move on to bigger and better things.  Whether that be Xbox, or they wait it out till PS3...who knows.  It was just a scenario, calm down.

>"FYI, I have a PS2. I like it, but graphically it will be outpaced as it has already. Games are games, granted but developers will eventually move on to bigger and better things. Whether that be Xbox, or they wait it out till PS3...who knows. It was just a scenario, calm down."


Yeah, developers always go to the most powefull hardware.. they don\'t care about SELLING games
ROFLAO

Originally posted by Chrono
>"FYI, I have a PS2. I like it, but graphically it will be outpaced as it has already. Games are games, granted but developers will eventually move on to bigger and better things. Whether that be Xbox, or they wait it out till PS3...who knows. It was just a scenario, calm down."


Yeah, developers always go to the most powefull hardware.. they don\'t care about SELLING games
ROFLAO

It will eventually happen, otherwise we\'d still be with PSX.    Move onward and upward, otherwise you\'re just standing still.

[Bobs_Hardware]

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Originally posted by Ginko
How long will they be happy? PS2 is gonna peak soon if it hasn\'t already...

oh yeah, thats a real good arguement :rolleyes: hey.. whose to say that XBox saled wont drop off, i mean.. XBox is going to peak soon, if it hasnt already :rolleyes:.  Look at the PSX.. did it reach its peak in 1997 with games like Final Fantasy 7 and Resident Evil released (although they were two of my favorite games of the system  ).. no developers went on to release hit after hit, sequal after sequal, and all sorts of brand new games.  If you think developers are just going to stop and say "wait-a-minute.. i dont think im going to make any more games..".. uhh.. not quite (i doubt it anyway )  PS2 so far is going along BETTER than the PSX was as far as support, games and user base.. surely you dont think PS2 is going to reach its peak so early in its lifespan..

Originally posted by Ginko
They have 700+ developers?!? Where are all the games?? The release list for this year is somewhat underwhelming...

Xbox has around 300 is what I read...

ill answer this one by quoting you.. maybe you can see my point..

Out of these could be some killer apps people just can\'t do without...things could turn around.

as you so put it, out of ALL those hundreds of dev\'s.. if even one game is a killer app, or even half good thats worth buying, its worth it.. just because they arent announced, doesnt mean they dont exist.. hell, half of the games will prolly never see the light of day either.. its just fun being a Sony fanboy and bragging about it  

Originally posted by Ginko
It\'s been different every generation...there is still 3 years left in this one, possibly 4.  Anything can happen...

well thats what we are arguing about!  if these things are likely to happen dagnammit!

Originally posted by Ginko
FYI, I have a PS2. I like it, but graphically it will be outpaced as it has already.

pfft, so you say.. the fact that games like Jak & Daxter, Final Fantasy X, Metal Gear Solid 2 etc. etc.  can even compare to the best XBox games (and indeed they can) is a success and triumph in itself to Sony..

Originally posted by Ginko
Games are games, granted but developers will eventually move on to bigger and better things. Whether that be Xbox, or they wait it out till PS3...who knows. It was just a scenario, calm down.

Originally posted by Ginko
It will eventually happen, otherwise we\'d still be with PSX. Move onward and upward, otherwise you\'re just standing still.

you know they are still releasing games on the PSX right? but there is a little bit of a difference between upgrading to the next generation and upgrading to the XBox.. as you should well know

note:  curse this infernal smiley limit *shakes fist*

Originally posted by Watchdog
Firstly, I\'ll say it again, we do not know the sell through of the xbox despite what chrono says.

Secondly the PS2 was released for the holiday season and xbox was released now.  You can\'t compare those numbers.

Chrono or 00seven, I don\'t know who is the bigger PS2 fanboy.

yeah right i am a Fanboy for saying the facts about a piss poor Japanese Launch !.

also just because i don\'t hold much faith in the all mighty M$ having a better Uk Launch don\'t mean i am a Fanboy !

I WAS going to get one on Launch AFTER ALL :evil:

well thats was untill i found out that us UK gamer are going to get SHAFTED over the price !

Well So Soooooooooorrrrrrrrrrryyyyy if i have been giving old Billy Boy a hard time ,but i feal like i have been let down !

Ah well heres hoping that they get their act to gether damn soon or i might end up buying a gamecube insted *sudder*

oh and.....

Microsoft XBox - 123,334
Nintendo GameCube - 175,000
Sega Dreamcast - 120,000 units

go Sega go Sega go Sega go Sega go Sega !

[GmanJoe]

Xbox doesn\'t need a gem like VF4! The reason Xbox was created is so all the sucky games go to Xbox while the better games go to PS2 and GC! Kinda like a diamond filter. All the dirt gets passed on to Xbox while PS2 gets the diamonds and gems!



Ehehehe!

Look at the PSX.. did it reach its peak in 1997 with games like Final Fantasy 7 and Resident Evil released (although they were two of my favorite games of the system

They had no where else to go in 1997.  PSX was the only console moving in the right direction.  It\'s a different market now, developers have options....will they use them, who knows....

surely you dont think PS2 is going to reach its peak so early in its lifespan..

I was referring to graphics, and yes I do....

ill answer this one by quoting you.. maybe you can see my point..

And maybe I won\'t...this one\'s gonna come down to personal preferrence.  PS2\'s release list looks rather stale to me, that\'s why I\'m amazed that out of 700+ developers, only 3 of their games for this year interest me...

Xbox on the other hand has a slew of games...blah blah blah. You see where I\'m going...it\'s not a good stand point to argue on.

as you so put it, out of ALL those hundreds of dev\'s.. if even one game is a killer app, or even half good thats worth buying, its worth it.

That\'s why I was set 400$ back after FFX came out...although this doesn\'t apply to everyone.  Some people require more than one game to justify purchasing a system.  

It\'s about appeal, Xbox could get it in Japan, it could not...it\'s got American\'s noticing...

its just fun being a Sony fanboy and bragging about it

What\'s there to brag about?  I haven\'t found anything yet...

pfft, so you say.. the fact that games like Jak & Daxter, Final Fantasy X, Metal Gear Solid 2 etc. etc. can even compare to the best XBox games (and indeed they can) is a success and triumph in itself to Sony..

The fact that first generation Xbox software compares/exceeds PS2\'s second/third generation is a Xbox selling point.  Some people aren\'t as superficial as me...

you know they are still releasing games on the PSX right?

I know, it\'s sad...

but there is a little bit of a difference between upgrading to the next generation and upgrading to the XBox.. as you should well know

I think developers will start to notice that difference (as it is apparent)...maybe they\'ll act on it, maybe not...

I was referring to graphics, and yes I do....

What makes you think that? Based on what? Or is this just a very lame arguement to justify your purchase of a X-box?

The fact that first generation Xbox software compares/exceeds PS2\'s second/third generation is a Xbox selling point. Some people aren\'t as superficial as me...

Doesn\'t seem to be a real selling point in Japan and even in America. I do wonder however how it will do in Europe... I\'m sure the graphics are a real selling point. The graphics are really really really awesome. :rolleyes:

You seem to base an awful lot just on graphics alone. All the X-box can really live up to at the moment is the graphics (which are far worse than when I would believe that 3 to 5 times more powerful Microsoft said a few months ago), but fail in the gameplay department. I won\'t comment on the games that aren\'t out though, obviously.

I think developers will start to notice that difference (as it is apparent)...maybe they\'ll act on it, maybe not...

That difference, as you like to point out.... haven\'t seen that yet. What difference? I\'m interested.

What makes you think that? Based on what?

Based on my playtime with FFX, GTA 3, State of Emergency, Devil May Cry...they look like suped up DC games...

But there are exceptions....Jak and Daxter and MGS2 are beautiful.  

 

Or is this just a very lame arguement to justify your purchase of a X-box?

No, my reasons for Xbox are Munch, Halo, Project Gotham, Jet Grind Radio (I finally got to play it!!), Max Payne (the better looking version;) ) and then all the hopefuls coming out...

Doesn\'t seem to be a real selling point in Japan and even in America.

It\'s selling very well in America, Japan doesn\'t seem to care.  Like I said, Maybe they\'ll notice, maybe not...

I do wonder however how it will do in Europe... I\'m sure the graphics are a real selling point. The graphics are really really really awesome.

They are awesome, couple that with great gameplay and you got yourself a winner.  

You seem to base an awful lot just on graphics alone.

 

Not just the graphics, the capabilities...if you were creating a game, would you like your vision to be on average hardware when you know you could get better results on something else?  

All the X-box can really live up to at the moment is the graphics (which are far worse than when I would believe that 3 to 5 times more powerful Microsoft said a few months ago), but fail in the gameplay department. I won\'t comment on the games that aren\'t out though, obviously.

Why don\'t you comment on the games?  I\'d love to hear why they all fail in the gameplay department...

I feel like such a fanboy right now...

Originally posted by seven


That difference, as you like to point out.... haven\'t seen that yet. What difference? I\'m interested.

You haven\'t seen or played an Xbox yet have you?

Halo is a testament to the machine and what it can do, and it was a launch title...Wreckless, while shallow in gameplay but still manages to be fun, is a sight to behold.    Max Payne...you have to see these two, you\'ll notice the difference.

Developers I\'m sure have noticed this too, like I said earlier...maybe they\'ll act upon it, maybe not...

[BizioEE]

Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware


uhh.. what for? its still just a rumour

The rumours are true,the King of fighters is coming to Xbox!


http://www.officialxboxmagazine.co.uk/

I\'ll wait for the XBox version.

Originally posted by BizioEE



The rumours are true,the King of fighters is coming to Xbox!


http://www.officialxboxmagazine.co.uk/

Good news, definitely good news.

How long do you think it will be before a someone finds something negative to say about this?

Based on my playtime with FFX, GTA 3, State of Emergency, Devil May Cry...they look like suped up DC games...

But there are exceptions....Jak and Daxter and MGS2 are beautiful.

So, based on your playtime, you\'re trying to say that PS2 has reached its peak? Not to mention that your playtime doesn\'t include the two games you\'ve quoted as being exceptions (J&D, MGS2). I wonder if you also thought that the PSX was at its peak while playing Resident Evil? If I may say, that\'s a pretty lame arguement.

It\'s selling very well in America, Japan doesn\'t seem to care. Like I said, Maybe they\'ll notice, maybe not...

It isn\'t selling bad in America, not at all - but we are talking about graphics being the selling point right? If this would really be the case, America would be selling more than PS2 and Japan, well better than what we are seing now. But wait, this selling point doesn\'t really work, because the Xbox doesn\'t have better (really noticable) graphics to show off at the moment. Get my point?

They are awesome, couple that with great gameplay and you got yourself a winner.

Awesome, but not noticably better. You may say DoA3 is the best looking game, I\'ll go with MGS2 for now. IMHO, they\'re equal. Again, I don\'t know where you get those "awesome" graphics from. What I have seen, it\'s at best equal with PS2 and nothing that is 3/5 times better. And in case you haven\'t noticed, I am comparing games that are out - not games that will be out.

Why don\'t you comment on the games? I\'d love to hear why they all fail in the gameplay department...

Halo is the exception I admit, but other than that - they\'re boring as hell. I\'ve played DoA3, Wreckless and some others. If you want you can also go get some reviews over the net. I\'m not the only one who thinks this. Go figure...

You haven\'t seen or played an Xbox yet have you?

Halo is a testament to the machine and what it can do, and it was a launch title...Wreckless, while shallow in gameplay but still manages to be fun, is a sight to behold. Max Payne...you have to see these two, you\'ll notice the difference.

Developers I\'m sure have noticed this too, like I said earlier...maybe they\'ll act upon it, maybe not...

Yes I have. And it doesn\'t blow me away - I even think it\'s equal to PS2 at the moment. Halo is a very nice game, but don\'t forget that a lot of effort went into it too. The PS2 version at the time didn\'t look bad either. You may take Halo, I think MGS2 is more or less up to par. And don\'t forget - Halo runs at underwhelming 30fps. So perhaps you are right with it being a testament to the Xbox... /jk

Max Payne.. Oh yeah.. a port. As if I really care which has the better graphics. Since Xbox supports DirectX, I even expected it to look better. But honestly, I wanted to play this game, I\'d play it on the PC having the superb verion even over Xbox.

playtime doesn\'t include the two games you\'ve quoted as being exceptions (J&D, MGS2).

I mentioned them as being beautiful...I have played them both.

I wonder if you also thought that the PSX was at its peak while playing Resident Evil? If I may say, that\'s a pretty lame arguement

you\'re implying what I think then calling it lame?  And graphically, it didn\'t go much further...

It isn\'t selling bad in America, not at all - but we are talking about graphics being the selling point right?

Not the selling point, a selling point.  meaning one of several...

But wait, this selling point doesn\'t really work, because the Xbox doesn\'t have better (really noticable) graphics to show off at the moment. Get my point?

At the moment...

Awesome, but not noticably better. You may say DoA3 is the best looking game, I\'ll go with MGS2 for now. IMHO, they\'re equal. Again, I don\'t know where you get those "awesome" graphics from. What I have seen, it\'s at best equal with PS2 and nothing that is 3/5 times better. And in case you haven\'t noticed, I am comparing games that are out - not games that will be out.

Yes, in your opinion...IMO, the xbox games look better.  Where is this going...

Halo is the exception I admit, but other than that - they\'re boring as hell. I\'ve played DoA3, Wreckless and some others. If you want you can also go get some reviews over the net. I\'m not the only one who thinks this. Go figure...

Reviews are just published opinions, they won\'t help you here...boring as hell??  What do you think is fun and exciting on PS2??

It\'s just like PS2 when it came out.  The games were comparable to DC games.  Over time, that changed and PS2 games were set apart (graphically).    PS2 is 2 years old, Xbox is 4 months old...same will happen here...

Max Payne.. Oh yeah.. a port. As if I really care which has the better graphics. Since Xbox supports DirectX, I even expected it to look better. But honestly, I wanted to play this game, I\'d play it on the PC having the superb verion even over Xbox.

It\'s more of a trend...the ports tend to look better in all cases.  

But then you wouldn\'t be talking about consoles anymore...

You keep missing the fact that I\'m saying, maybe the developers will notice and take action, or maybe not.  The whole arguement is speculation, treat it as such...