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Offline Mr. Kennedy
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« Reply #195 on: March 24, 2002, 04:05:32 PM »
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I\'m not talking about the main forum, I\'m talking about xbox bashing--err, console debating.  I never see any of the usual suspects bashing Sony, their console or any screen/game or pic.  Ever.


We don\'t have a person in console debating posting continuous PS2 updates either.  That\'s why we have a main forum?  That\'s why, if you want to get all your X-Box needs you should travel to Teamxbox, but for those who want a GREAT overall forum will remain here.
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« Reply #196 on: March 24, 2002, 09:50:13 PM »
mm I wasn\'t indicating you specifically.

Great overall coverage if your console of choice happens to be PS2.
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« Reply #197 on: March 25, 2002, 01:00:00 AM »
Watchdog, you know this is a PS2 forum, and considering that fact, i think that we are one of, if not the best forum for overall news of that type.. we have a nice variety of XBox fans, GC fans, DC fans and of course PS2 fans.. and most of us here are un-biassed enough to make good comments/criticism to all consoles..sure there are some people you might consider to be trolls for both PS2 and other consoles, but considering, you wont find a better forum of its type..

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« Reply #198 on: March 25, 2002, 06:18:14 AM »
it\'s quite amusing to see where Watchdog\'s own thread headed. After a rather interesting topic on trolls around here, it suddenly got into a console debate and now it\'s once again some (irrelevant to this topic) screens of a Xbox game we\'re talking about. It\'s funny how you critisize certain PS2 biased members around here for bashing your beloved Xbox games, but it seems to be okay when someone like pstwo posts some screens in a thread that has nothing to do with "console-debating" or the topic. Strange ain\'t it?

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« Reply #199 on: March 25, 2002, 06:50:26 AM »
You can post PS2 news all you want.  I don\'t mind PStwo\'s topics becaue he never bashes any game for any system.  He just posts news, and where else is he supposed to post it?  He\'s not a troll, it\'s the people who bash anything xbox, no matter what it is that are.

I agree with you Bob that the majority are generally good, and I could even take the mindlessness around here if everyone was treated equally, but that\'s not the case.  PS2 trolls get away with everything.  Jumpman and NYPPZ got troll avartars, why not give the same treatment to the ps2 trolls?  It would be a nice compromise.  But that\'ll never happen.
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« Reply #200 on: March 25, 2002, 07:06:47 AM »
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it\'s the people who bash anything xbox, no matter what it is that are.


not correct
if you do it on a OPPOSING console forum, then its trolling
docwiz, is a prime example of a troll
we\'re just expressing our opinions
this is a PS2 forum remember

how many of us "so called trolls" say that PS2 is better or PS2 can make games look better and run faster?
if someone posts a link to a certain xbox mech movie, im gonna tell my opinion thats its blurry as hell, and im not impressed

IF YOU CANT STOMACH NEGATIVE XBOX AND GC COMMENTS, STOP POSTING LINKS THEN
simple as that

pstwo on the other hand is just trying to broaden people\'s horizons, and i respect that, or else i wouldnt let him continue
i think he just posts too much unimportant news

we bash M$ and the xbox consistantly for two reasons

1. we\'re dissapointed
2. we enjoy inane arguments and people\'s reactions

watch, how do you think a simple discussion turns into a 9 page thread?
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« Reply #201 on: March 25, 2002, 08:10:14 AM »
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not correct
if you do it on a OPPOSING console forum, then its trolling
docwiz, is a prime example of a troll
we\'re just expressing our opinions
this is a PS2 forum remember
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Well there is no hard and fast definition of a troll--your is as worthwhile as mine.  There are several people here that live and breathe PS2, anything xbox related is garbage.  They criticize games that they\'ve never played, they post screen shots and point out jaggies.  The hitch is that only the xbox recieves this scrutiny.  If the PS2 was treated like this, by these same people, I would have no problem with that.  This isn\'t that case and we both know that.  These are not opinions based on fact and derrived from an objective mind.  If someone, like NYPPZ, posts PS2 screens, bashes the PS2, points out graphical problems--he is immediately labelled a troll, and rightfully so.  But a PS2 zealot can do the same so long as he posts under the PS2 flag.

You say this is a PS2 board, but this is a console debating board and should be moderated objectively.  Is the PS2 position so pecarious that it needs special treatment?  Police the main forum with a zero tolerance of xbox fanboys--that\'s the way it should be.  

But you have to understand that to truly have a "console debate" the rules must be the same for all sides.  This isn\'t the case and we both know that.  As it is now it\'s open season for the xbox not console debating.




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how many of us "so called trolls" say that PS2 is better or PS2 can make games look better and run faster?
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Not many, but there are several.  I\'m not speaking out against the majority.


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if someone posts a link to a certain xbox mech movie, im gonna tell my opinion thats its blurry as hell, and im not impressed
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That movie is not blurry or at least no more blurry than the J&D movie that was floating around the internet before it launched.  Much/all of that blurriness is because we are looking at a 2 inch screen with poor quality.  Why did everyone fall in love with the J&D trailer and not with the mech assault one?  There is an answer, I just can\'t put my finger on it...


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IF YOU CANT STOMACH NEGATIVE XBOX AND GC COMMENTS, STOP POSTING LINKS THEN
simple as that
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I think most of us can stomach the negativity, it\'s the fanboyism that is the problem.  I myself have been very vocally negative about many of PStwo\'s xbox news flashes, but there have been some that are noteworthy, but get lumped into the xbox suxors category because of the small mindedness of a certain vocal minority.


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pstwo on the other hand is just trying to broaden people\'s horizons, and i respect that, or else i wouldnt let him continue
i think he just posts too much unimportant news
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Agreed.


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we bash M$ and the xbox consistantly for two reasons

1. we\'re dissapointed
2. we enjoy inane arguments and people\'s reactions

watch, how do you think a simple discussion turns into a 9 page thread?
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Yes but these same people herrald the launch of the PS2 as a time of great gaming and console bliss when you and I both know that the PS2 has only recently come in to its own.  As for point 2, that is a select group of senior menbers and not applicable to the majority of the posters.  You also missed point 3: I love my PS2, and everything else is crap die xbox die.

I have no idea how this turned into a 9 page thread.
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« Reply #202 on: March 25, 2002, 08:32:34 AM »
Listen, the reason you get so much negativity is because you try and rub it in PS2 owners faces.  We know from a technical standpoint that X-Box is better, but that is why it gets so much negativity.

Comparing the specs makes PS2 look inferior next to the montrous X-Box.  But when you post screens that are truly not that much better than PS2 screens what is that telling us?   We look at PS2 screens and go wow that\'s amazing, but if a screen of an X-Box game identical graphically to that screen it\'s going to get some bad feed back.  Reason, because XBox can do better.

It\'s just like M$ to make a program and not fix it up, they deliver an OS like Win 98 where your crashing more than once a day.  They could\'ve improved it, but did they, no.  Because they didn\'t have to.  Instead they come out with the next buggy OS to drive us nuts.

Back onto X-Box now, how can you call us zealots for pointing out the obvious.  The launches have been a let down, the games in GENERAL have been a letdown, the system itself has been a letdown.  But yet you have to come here to show us screens of your X-Box games that could be a lot better. The difference between M$ and Sony is simple.  Sony is pushing the system to the limit and we respect that, even if it can\'t match up to X-Box.  M$ is releasing half-ass games that could be a lot better(not all!!!!) and we\'re supposed to accept that.  I refuse to.

The difference isn\'t in the consoles, it\'s in the company.
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« Reply #203 on: March 25, 2002, 09:38:00 AM »
I don\'t post screen shots.  I don\'t gloat about specs.  Get your members straight.

MS doesn\'t make every game that comes out for xbox.  They have little control over Capcom, EA or Acclaim.

It can be your opinoin that xbox has been a letdown so long as you were let down by the PS2 launch.  That\'s my point.

Look at games coming out now--they are getting better and showing improvement over PS2 (Blood Omen?).  These things don\'t happen over night, devs will learn the machine as they spend more time with it.  PS2 fans should know all about that, but they seem to forget.

And of course xbox is getting ports--devs are looking for a quick cash grab and porting successful games.  It happened to PS2 too, but PS2 fans seem to forget.  

I\'m only saying that CONSOLE DEBATING should be a two way street.
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« Reply #204 on: March 25, 2002, 09:48:53 AM »
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I don\'t post screen shots.  I don\'t gloat about specs.  Get your members straight.


Get what striaght, your just as good as the next X-Box fanboy that comes this way.  What you say and what you do are two different things.

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MS doesn\'t make every game that comes out for xbox.  They have little control over Capcom, EA or Acclaim.


Very true, in fact, I just rented WWF Raw, made by THQ, very nice game.  But the fact remains, those other developers, including M$ have yet to show me why exactly I bought TXB.

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It can be your opinoin that xbox has been a letdown so long as you were let down by the PS2 launch.  That\'s my point.


Forgot about what, the 30 title launch PS2 had, let me not soon forget the names of SSX, Summoner, Kessen, Timesplitters, Unreal, Madden...  Hmmm, Halo seems to be the only successful game I recall from it\'s launch.

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Look at games coming out now--they are getting better and showing improvement over PS2 (Blood Omen?).  These things don\'t happen over night, devs will learn the machine as they spend more time with it.  PS2 fans should know all about that, but they seem to forget.


Your point is?  That\'s how it was with any system.  Gamecube, TXB, and PS2 all are reciving better games.  Each system has it\'s hits here and there, but it\'s consistency that counts.

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And of course xbox is getting ports--devs are looking for a quick cash grab and porting successful games.  It happened to PS2 too, but PS2 fans seem to forget.  


Well, Halo for PC, sounds yummy for those non-TXB owners, especially for the ones who want to play ONLINE!!!!  We already know Sony has it\'s network planned for August, how about M$, or are they looking to put some other piece of crap effort into their system.

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I\'m only saying that CONSOLE DEBATING should be a two way street. [/B]


It is, that\'s why this thread is 9 pages long.
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« Reply #205 on: March 25, 2002, 10:14:04 AM »
hmmm, "halo for PC"


sorry, every time i think of it, i get all soft and warm inside

halo at 1280x1024 32bit color 4xFSAA running at over 100 fps

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« Reply #206 on: March 25, 2002, 12:04:07 PM »
Watchdog...

Hang in there, bud...

2 PS2 trolls have gotten their special pics, if memory serves me correctly...

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« Reply #207 on: March 25, 2002, 12:06:36 PM »
lol, i forgot about nigs

talk about misguided youth

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« Reply #208 on: March 25, 2002, 01:38:59 PM »
Whatever Billy, go watch wrestling.
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« Reply #209 on: March 25, 2002, 02:05:53 PM »
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Whatever Billy, go watch wrestling.



wrestling ?

mm is into wrestling :eek:
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