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Offline cloud345
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Well I mainly think its because they had no back up money. There only real business was the consoles. Sony has alot of stuff suck as tvs radios CD players and much more. Microsoft....its microsoft they\'re never running out of money! microsoft. And Nintendo has gamboys gmeboy advance. Sega had absolutly no back up merchandise that Im aware of.



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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2002, 06:55:51 PM »
umm, do you forget they were giving  them away for free also if the buyer signed up for seganet?

plus, it launched at only $199
that added to its demise

wait, didnt another console recently launch for 199$ ?

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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2002, 07:14:02 PM »
Sega died as a first-party due to years and years of losing money. And also due to not selling enough.

If they had some more cash, they could have pushed the DC just like MS is pushing the Xbox.. and ensured its success. But after you lose over $500~ million over the course of 3 years, backing an ailing console isn\'t quite as easy.

Nintendo, on the other hand.. has made a good profit practically every year since 1984! They\'ve only taken a loss on hardware once (GCN) and they\'re probably already breaking even on that. Sega lost way too much faith between 1993 and 1998 for the Dreamcast to take off like the PSX and even the N64 did before it.. even with the largest and arguably the best launch lineup at the time, the DC couldn\'t save Sega\'s reputation.
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2002, 10:39:05 AM »
As I understand it right before the end, Sega was in discussions with MS for a possible buyout.  The talks broke down for an unknown reason, but it would have been interesting to see what would have happened to the Sega name and "brand" if MS were to have taken them over.
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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2002, 10:42:56 AM »
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Sony has alot of stuff suck as tvs radios CD players and much more.


Read that again...

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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2002, 10:46:27 AM »
LOL!

i skimmed right over that when i read it

nice catch
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2002, 01:00:35 PM »
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As I understand it right before the end, Sega was in discussions with MS for a possible buyout. - GigaShadow


That was a rumor, a myth, and nothing more. There was no evidence to back that up or any real indications aside from the Dreamcast being able to run games made with WindowsCE in mind. There were also rumors of Nintnedo buying out Sega, and Sony buying out Sega. It all depends on which fanboy you heard it from. The only rumors which proved true, was that Sega would end up developing games for "X" console... which as it turns out they\'re developing games for ALL consoles.

I also find it pretty hard to swallow that the 32x and SegaCD REALLY had all that much to do with Sega\'s financial position today. I mean, I hear a lot of people say they were dissapointed in those two addon\'s... but together, those two devices sold less than 2 million units. The gaming market is HUGE, well over 80 million gamers. How can THAT many people be dissapointed by devices they didn\'t even own.. and that weren\'t even serious efforts like the Genesis, Saturn, and Dreamcast was? I think the 32x and CD disspointment is more of a scapegoat for people who want to put on the appearance of being objective gamers, but just can\'t hide their bias against Sega.

The reason why Sega did so poorly, IMO, is linked directly to the Saturn. After a $400 price tag, an insanely difficult archetecture, and overall less than PSX quality graphics.. it just didn\'t have much of a chance. Advertising and distribution peetered out early on, leaving America\'s mindshare pretty much open territory for Sony until Nintnedo game along with the N64. Besides, with as much as the games industry has grown in the 32/64 bit era.. Sega could have really used that extra mindshare. Unfortunately they were nowhere to be found in either the US or Europe... leaving only Japan as the country which was truely supported. (They actually sold quite a few Saturns in Japan, as well as produced some of their best games for it which are JP only)

I blame it directly on Advertising. As far as the casual gamer is concerned, Sega just dropped off the radar for around 5 years. Out of sight, out of mind, and that made it very difficult to sell DC consoles in the face of Sony\'s PS2 hype tsunami. Regardless, the DC still sold roughly 25 - 30 million consoles worldwide.. which is actually a very good number considering where they were. If Sega could have gathered more developers and weren\'t shelling out every penny they had to make the DC the best console they possibly could.. as well as advertise agressively, they\'d probably be in a much better position today.

Oh, and Cloud.. you do realize that Sega didn\'t own themselves didn\'t you? They had plenty of money to keep the DC going through their owners CSK (or something like that) who also owned several other Japaneese buisnesses. The problem is... getting them to fund Sega when they aren\'t turning a profit. I guantee you that 7-8 years of either the Xbox or PS2 doing just as poorly.. and Sony & Microsoft would start cutting funding to their divisions as well. Nintnedo is unique because their game & hardware division is a top priority to their corperation. Nintnedo owns several other companies as well as a Seattle(?) baseball team. They\'re money dosen\'t just come in from videogames.. even though that is their main focus.
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2002, 04:28:53 PM »
whoops.........   such* :laughing:
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2002, 04:42:01 PM »
If you think about it, Sega\'s Dreamcast could very well be called the successful failure, only because it had to be Sega\'s most solid product they\'ve ever produced for the home entertainment world. It had probally the most solid release lineup in ahwile, with Soul Calibur (AAA), Sonic Adventure (AAA), Crazy Taxi (AAA), and NBA 2K (AAA) to name a few. My gosh, what is it we have here? Four AAA titles upon inical release? Damn, that\'s kinda making X-box look bad :D

You can go ahead and mention that they didn\'t sell enough. Fact of the manner is, it\'s not that they didn\'t sell enough to win pouplarity, but not enough in order to save them. Because it was just a manner of time Sony was going to release it\'s PS2, and with that, another con to Sega was it\'s release forcast, releasing it only months priror to PS2\'s debut/announacment.

But, if you people have been following, Sega has announaced that it\'s revenue for this finical quater has exceeded their expectations by a good margin, thus, indicating a positive future for them in the long run.
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2002, 04:56:27 PM »
Jm: Yep, right now it looks like Sega is doing pretty good for themselves.

Heck, with only the DC to cater to.. they managed to make it into the top 5 publishers in the US in 2000, I think..

I don\'t see Sega dying out within the next 5 years, unless teams like AM2 and Sonic Team go solo.
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2002, 10:26:31 AM »
SonyFan...

Sega sold 25 million DC\'s??? I thought it was much less, somewhere around 10...

Care to break it down by continent?

Yes, Nintendo owns the Seattle Mariners, which would probably explain why they get all the best Japanese players like Suzuki, etc...
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2002, 10:32:29 AM »
In response to Sonyfan, I didn\'t hear about the MS buyout of Sega from any person, actually I read it in this month\'s PS magazine.  I has about a paragraph on the subject.  I know this doesn\'t really give it any validation, but I am sure some sort of negotiations were going on and maybe not just with MS.
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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2002, 04:57:52 PM »
Since when does Nintendo own the Marineers? Well since the Mariners are my favorite team and Nintendo and Sony are my 2 favorite consoles its great news.
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2002, 05:34:48 PM »
NCL\'s (Nintendo of Japan) president Hiroshi Yamauchi bought the team about 6 or 7 years ago, for $400 million.
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2002, 05:59:01 PM »
Ashford - I believe so. It\'s hard tracking down current total sales since most sites don\'t consider the Dreamcast to be a contender anymore, thus leave them out of their polls. A majority of their sales were made in just this last year after the 75.00 and 50.00 price drops. I got my numbers from the SegaWeb forums in an argument over weither the Dreamcast was a bigger flop than the Saturn or not so I\'m not sure if they\'re entirely accurate. I would go back and search for the link that was provided, however GamerWeb decided to put up this LAME A$$ M$ flash advertisment for the Xbox which keeps crashing my browser. I\'ll look up the info as soon as they get around to taking that stoopid schit down.

Did you also know that Dreamcast was put back into production shortly in Japan to meet demand. Granted the number was small.. roughly 100,000 produced at the most.. but it just goes to show how well Sega has been selling since they announced that the Dreamcast would be their last console. I think it\'s kind of a "I want to own a piece of gaming history" phenomenon thing going on. No word on if they plan to kick back into limited production for any other markets.
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