Can the US alone support the Xbox?

Originally posted by ooseven


YES and well yeah they CAN, thats why i get anoyed when the PR and Spin Doctors Gloss over the poor results in Japan and Europe for the X box and say that it they can Survive in US alone.

the Truth of the matter is that yes they can Survive in the US alone but the ULTIMATE Disadvantage in that is that they are in NO possition to Challange Sony or Nintendo in their present State !

i mean how are they ever expected to catch the PS2 if they are only succesful in one Region while the PS2 is enjoying success world wide.

Nintendo is not a huge problem console wise. I.E N64 only hit what around 28million(estimated last time I check it was 28million) consoles while psx went over 70million. I don\'t see nintendo doing big numbers this console generation. As more games come out on xbox bias fools may soon wise up and finally enjoy gaming all around.

I could be wrong and Nintendo could start selling like crazy, and xbox could also who knows. Just don\'t count either console out yet.

I agree with QuDDus here.. the Xbox/GCN have a lot of potential.. and a lot of big games coming this year.

Of course, we\'re in "PSX2 Central" so their potential will be shrugged off in favor of the latest title in the Cool Boarders series.. but if you get out the bias bin for a second, you\'ll remember just how much pull some of this year\'s software will have. Nintendo knows it, Microsoft knows it.. they know they both have to have banner years for their consoles to be successful. If nothing gets delayed, success is only the tip of the iceberg!

Originally posted by mm
what happened to "teh PS2 killah?"

From where I sit MS just wanted to try and rain on the PS2 PC killing parade. If Billy and his gang were serious about getting into console biz in a major way, they would\'ve had to crank out a machine that could smoke or match the best PC most gamers will likely have access to over the next 3 years or so and taken it even deeper in the shorts to secure the needed user base. Instead, they advertised they were gonna just do that and then threw together a box they thought could reel in the fishys.

Here\'s what I\'m seeing:

PS2 CPU+GS= 56 million transistors*
Xbox CPU+GPU= 73 million transistors*

Based on those raw numbers, isn\'t that like 1/3 more powerful? Kinda reflects what we\'re seeing  now that PS2 has a few big kinks worked out. What the hell happened to Moores law?  Am I way off here, or what? Anyone care to ‘splain?

Gotta run for today, try to check back in on this latter.


*I searched out the numbers a month or two ago and the above are from memory :nut: The specs were a bit outdated in a few areas so I can\'t vouch on the accuracy but I believe if anyone wants to go and check, the numbers I\'m using should be fairly close (it would be a real good idea before any punches get thrown, thanks)

ummm, im not sure what yer trying to say

/me scratches head

wait, did blade say next installment of coolboarders?
w00tx0r!

Originally posted by mm
ummm, im not sure what yer trying to say

/me scratches head

wait, did blade say next installment of coolboarders?
w00tx0r!

Whats coolboarders?

Originally posted by Blade


Of course, we\'re in "PSX2 Central" so their potential will be shrugged off in favor of the latest title in the Cool Boarders series..

Is this some stereotype that I just missed? Cool Boarders? WTF?

And yes we are in PSX2 Central so PS2 obviously will be getting the most support here...

Hehe..

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by Ginko
You are arguing personal preference and the possibility of what would\'ve/could\'ve been.  

Who cares?

I\'m suprised anyone replied to your post...it will go nowhere.

Three pages, byatch!

Here\'s what I\'m seeing:

PS2 CPU+GS= 56 million transistors*
Xbox CPU+GPU= 73 million transistors*

Based on those raw numbers, isn\'t that like 1/3 more powerful? Kinda reflects what we\'re seeing now that PS2 has a few big kinks worked out. What the hell happened to Moores law? Am I way off here, or what? Anyone care to ‘splain?

I think the numbers are fairly correct. Although number of transisstors can\'t really be used to compare two consoles with a radical different chip-design. Of course a system with more transistors has the potential of being more powerful - but it\'s not just a chip that makes the system - afterall you still have other things to worry about, such as bandwidth, memory, memory-handling etc.

speaking of chips and why transistors in chip manufactoring is important:

Moore\'s Law says that the number of transistors that can be packed on a chip doubles every 18 months, but many scientists expect that within 10-20 years, silicon will reach its physical limits, halting the ability to pack more transistors on a chip. Transistors are a key building block of electronic systems -- they act as bridges that carry data from one place to another inside computer chips.

The more transistors on a chip, the faster the processing speed, indicating why this advance by IBM scientists could have a profound impact on the future of chip performance.

Source: IBM

Still, the Xbox and PS2 are so different in design that you have far more aspects to consider before you just compare the number of transistors... (see above).

Originally posted by mm
ummm, im not sure what yer trying to say

/me scratches head

wait, did blade say next installment of coolboarders?
w00tx0r!

PS2= PC killah= MS worry

True PS2 killah= True PC killah= MS worry

xbox= poser

Bah! Who cares?
***************
Bah, coolboarders

FF XXX- Udder of Eternity. Now we\'re talkin\'...

Originally posted by seven


I think the numbers are fairly correct. Although number of transisstors can\'t really be used to compare two consoles with a radical different chip-design. Of course a system with more transistors has the potential of being more powerful - but it\'s not just a chip that makes the system - afterall you still have other things to worry about, such as bandwidth, memory, memory-handling etc.

Yeah seven, maybe that\'s where you and I are both gullible enough :rolleyes: to believe in the possibility a comparison of the systems two or three years from now may come out to be closer than most here might imagine. Eh, a whole nother an o worms.

I\'m not positive but I think Moore\'s own definition concludes the cost of production of transistors is cut in half. And it appears more than a few transistors were sacrificed by the cost of adding HD and BB.

And the memory factors, I new I was forgetting something:D It does help to balance the lopsided picture I was seeing. Well almost, since efficiency is such a big issue when starting to dig any deeper than just those raw numbers.  My problem, aside from being uneducated on the subject,  is so far I can\'t reconcile the 3 to 5 x\'s more powerful claim being based on anything other than the principle of Moore\'s law, which the real world chip numbers don\'t even begin to reflect.  Am I missing something here?

Just an interesting fact I\'d like to throw in.

Microsoft does not have more money than Sony.

Sony happens to be a decent way higher on the fortune 500 than M$.  Too many people believe Microsoft is an evil company that owns the world.  They are a driving force in the computer industry, but as far as other things, when was the last time you brought home a Microsoft telephone? Walkman? Monitor?

let me say i want the xbox to sucedd but its failing because of to many port overs no games with great game players and weres a good fighter or a solid rpg xbox needs to get a game out that can only be run on its system alone

Originally posted by GmanJoe
If Xbox cost much more to manufacture than the PS2  (Sony\'s PS2 parts are nearly all in house whereas MS has to buy parts from other sources), MS\'s hope in recuping that cost is through software sales. But if the Xbox is slowing down even beyond the US borders, can the US support the Xbox?

And the Xbox sales is slowing even in the US.

Good.

Xbox\'s slow sales are only temporary.  I bet the sales will dramatically increase during Summer and Fall 02, of course.  Since the price was lowered in Europe, the system will pick up in sales.