Not so fast lezbo!!!

Originally posted by Ace
Hmm, I find it kind of sad that we can\'t see the value of a normal family.

If there are two couples one gay and one straight that will love the child which would you think is better for the child?

Ace

I couldn\'t tell you based on that information.  However, at least the gay one would raise the child with an open mind...

Children of gay people do not get any worse parenting than those of straight people.  It has no ill effects that I\'ve seen.

If I had a foot growing out of my head when I was born would that be natural ? I don\'t think so. It is not what we expect to happen.

Ace

Who is to say what is natural and what is not?  We are one of the only two species on Earth who can take pleasure from sex.  If anything, that makes us the oddballs in the whole food chain.  What we choose to do with our lives is not the business of anyone else and to judge those based on how they live their lives is to deprive this world of its variety.  Variety is the spice of life afterall and to take it away would make us all a bunch of drones where city life would be as unappealing as licking radioactive slime off a sewer grate.

People have the right to live how they choose and if what we invent allows those who live in contradicition to what is "natural"  do what they never could before, then so be it.  People want kids, people want houses, people want to live freely.  Who are any of you to arbitralily deny anyone children simply because how they live is not "natural?"  I\'m sure many of you enjoy sex in a number of different ways with your significant other... does that mean we should burn them all at the stake since what they do is not the natural church goer sex that it should be?  Please, this is ludicrous.

As for me donating sperm, that all depends.  The parents lifestyle may affect the child, but it would be even more damaging if the parents were abusive...

Coredweller nailed it on the head... The homosexual people I have talked to all say they were just born that way.  It had nothing to do with choice or preference at all.  They can\'t just turn it off like a switch.  We\'re not vulcan afterall.

Originally posted by Ace
Do not take offense if someone in stating the way things are. It\'s not natural and any clear thinking person will say the same thing.

As I said, I am not going to sugar coat the way I feel.

I personally think it\'s lame to put forward a belief, and then rely on abstract arguments like "it\'s self evident that it\'s not natural" and "any right thinking / clear thinking person would agree."  If it\'s your belief, just state it as such, and leave the unsupportable arguments out.  Those kind of statements are distasteful because they\'re exactly like the illogical arguments the Nazis used to claim that jews were inferior.  

Just use your head, and think before you write stuff like this.  If you have a real, supportable, reasonable argument for why homosexuality is "wrong" (and that\'s what you said earlier), then post it here.  Don\'t try to claim some higher authority by saying that it\'s "not natural" when really it\'s just your baseless opinion.

Thats not by choice though, its a genetics defect.  Being gay isn\'t a defect, its a choice.


YOU AREN\'T BORN GAY

However, at least the gay one would raise the child with an open mind...

How could you possibly know this. The gay couple could be racist. Who knows. It still does not deter my opinion that having a mother and a father is a better way to raise a child.

Ace

We got some over the edge Catholic\'s here how wonderful....

being homosexual isn\'t a bad thing and they can\'t control it, its in there friggen nature

YOU AREN\'T BORN GAY

Prove it.

How could you possibly know this. The gay couple could be racist. Who knows. It still does not deter my opinion that having a mother and a father is a better way to raise a child.

Ever seen American Beauty?  Sure, it\'s a movie, but that story is more common then you think.  People enjoyed it because it\'s a true depiction of what happens in homes today.  All because it doesn\'t happen in yours doesn\'t mean it isn\'t happening.

And Ace, if you won\'t even talk to people who are gay, then don\'t make any assumptions at all.  I\'d tell you not to knock it till you tried it, but who knows.. you just might like it.  What a shocker that would be.

Hmm, calling me a nazi is real nice. I don\'t think I have been rude in any way. I am using the word natural as it is written in the dictionary.

You can feel all self rightous about how liberal you are and there is no such thing as right and wrong but do not call me a nazi for disagreeing with your opinion.


Ace

Originally posted by Bozco
Thats not by choice though, its a genetics defect.  Being gay isn\'t a defect, its a choice.


YOU AREN\'T BORN GAY

How would you know?  Are you gay?  Every gay person I\'ve spoken to has said they were born that way.

Originally posted by Bozco
How could you possibly know this. The gay couple could be racist. Who knows. It still does not deter my opinion that having a mother and a father is a better way to raise a child.

Ok, well then they\'ll be more open minded on at least one subject.  Better?

Oh, and your agruements...it\'s not natural, it\'s self evident, it\'s what god intended...those are all the basis of almost every racist arguement I\'ve heard.  And your arguement it no better than any of those.

How do you know that I have never talked to a gay person?

Originally posted by Ace
Hmm, calling me a nazi is real nice. I don\'t think I have been rude in any way. I am using the word natural as it is written in the dictionary.

You can feel all self rightous about how liberal you are and there is no such thing as right and wrong but do not call me a nazi for disagreeing with your opinion.


Ace

People are simply pointing out how your arguement is very similar to how the nazi\'s argued that jews were bad people.  The people pointing this out are right.

And Nazi\'s did also persecute gays you know.  And when they did, it was using basically what you are arguing.

Well, at least you\'re in good company.

Originally posted by shockwaves

Ok, well then they\'ll be more open minded on at least one subject.  Better?

Oh, and your agruements...it\'s not natural, it\'s self evident, it\'s what god intended...those are all the basis of almost every racist arguement I\'ve heard.  And your arguement it no better than any of those.

Ok, just to let you know your second quote has my name as the poster but I never posted it. It was someone else.

Prove it.

Prove that you are.  From what I\'ve seen and how being gay is I think you aren\'t born gay.  How the hell would personal preference be something your born with.

Originally posted by Bozco
Ok, just to let you know your second quote has my name as the poster but I never posted it. It was someone else.

lol, sorry.  I never was good at formatting those quotes...

Where have I stated that I want persecute gays? I said it was my opinion that it is wrong. I still say it\'s not natural and if you don\'t like the word give me a better one to use.

Ace