Thread III

ok I continiue.

Originally posted by Clowd


Im talking about lightning in the primitive atmosphere,  from what I heard it was constant

This is interesting because lightning in the early atmosphere should be pretty hard but constant for me means that there is a constant lightning hitting the groun everywhere al lthe time, that is absurd. I know from school that we had a lot of lightning and stuff but not enough to kill off all aminoacid.
But let me tell you all something that I cant deny when it comes to aminoacid.

Lets take a normal proteinmolecyl, 400 aminoacid long. This 400 are combinations of 20 different combinations.
This protein must have been combined togehter a very first time.
What is the odds of this happening?
To make it simplier lets assume there is only one protein. very unrealistic but nevermind its easier to calculate. We now have 400 molecyles that are identical that is going to be put togheter in one long chain. But they all have to be lefthanded.

The odds of this happening is: 1/2^399.
Or in words: Flip a coin and get the same side up 400 times in a row.

Interesting.


 Source (Swe)

Samwise, why cant we disscuss religion and science without facts?
You know you cant find one singel url that proves that God Exist.
So you are saying we cant disscuss.

I\'ll post this again for clowd to see.  And Bossieman, what do you think about this?


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Originally posted by Clowd
Remember everything I am posting is fact.

No incomplete skeletons have been found.
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How about living ones?






IMO this is a prime example of an animal that is in the middle of its evolution phase from a water animal into a land animal.  IN the meantime it\'s habbit still involves both water and land.  It once had fins like a fish but those fins are evovling into legs used for walking.

Also, It is beleived that birds evolved from reptiles. A while back a reptile was found that once had feathers:  A creature that could also have been in the middle of its evolution process.

The coelacanth appears to be a cousin of Eusthenopteron, the fish credited with growing legs and coming ashore-360 million years ago- as the ancestor of all tetrapods (amphibians,reptiles,and mammals)including ourselves.


  But this view is controversial. Debate still rages as to whether the coelacanths, presumed to be close relatives of the Rhipidistia fishes from which tetrapod amphibians supposedly arose, are our closest tetrapod ancestors, or if lung fishes, another very ancient line, are more closely related to tetrapods than the Rhipidistia and thus claim the oldest closest relative title. (There are three living genera of lung fishes.) Good genetic and morphological evidence points in both directions. Another line of thinking, based on physiological and anatomical analysis, identifies coelacanths with sharks and other cartilaginous fishes, but this view seems to have fallen from favor.



http://www.dinofish.com

Originally posted by Kimahri
I\'ll post this again for clowd to see.  And Bossieman, what do you think about this?


quote:
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Originally posted by Clowd
Remember everything I am posting is fact.

No incomplete skeletons have been found.
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How about living ones?






IMO this is a prime example of an animal that is in the middle of its evolution phase from a water animal into a land animal.  IN the meantime it\'s habbit still involves both water and land.  It once had fins like a fish but those fins are evovling into legs used for walking.

Also, It is beleived that birds evolved from reptiles. A while back a reptile was found that once had feathers:  A creature that could also have been in the middle of its evolution process.

Well I must say that it DOES look like living proof of evolution, but I am no biologiest so I cant say for sure, but my opinions says that we have obviously proof here.

Some of these fish (notably Eusthenopteron) have bones in their paired fins that are very similar to the bones of tetrapod limbs. Specifically, they have a single bone (similar to the humerus or femur) followed by paired bones (similar to the radius and ulna or fibula and tibia of tetrapods). Did you know that there were fish with limb bones? I didn\'t until I learned about Eusthenopteron. Scientists think these fish used their limbs to walk on the sea (or lake or river) bed. What Eusthenopteron lacks are digits - having fin rays instead (although Sauripterus (a very recent discovery) is a closely related fish that does have 8 digits just like the earliest amphibians- see the illustration). However, the fossil record supplies us with examples of tetrapods that are quite similar to Eusthenopteron

 Comparison of paired anterior fins of lobe finned fishes (A-D) and limbs of early tetrapods (E, F)  A. Sterropterygion, B. Sauripterus, C. Panderichthys, D. Eusthenopteron, E. Ichthyostega, F. Acanthostega

http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoLimb.html

that fish is another type of mud puppy

Originally posted by Bossieman
ok I continiue.



This is interesting because lightning in the early atmosphere should be pretty hard but constant for me means that there is a constant lightning hitting the groun everywhere al lthe time, that is absurd. I know from school that we had a lot of lightning and stuff but not enough to kill off all aminoacid.
But let me tell you all something that I cant deny when it comes to aminoacid.

Lets take a normal proteinmolecyl, 400 aminoacid long. This 400 are combinations of 20 different combinations.
This protein must have been combined togehter a very first time.
What is the odds of this happening?
To make it simplier lets assume there is only one protein. very unrealistic but nevermind its easier to calculate. We now have 400 molecyles that are identical that is going to be put togheter in one long chain. But they all have to be lefthanded.

The odds of this happening is: 1/2^399.
Or in words: Flip a coin and get the same side up 400 times in a row.

Interesting.


 Source (Swe)

Im talking about constant lightning in the atmosphere, in the clouds.

Those odds are interesting.

Originally posted by Kimahri
I\'ll post this again for clowd to see.  And Bossieman, what do you think about this?


quote:
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Originally posted by Clowd
Remember everything I am posting is fact.

No incomplete skeletons have been found.
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How about living ones?






IMO this is a prime example of an animal that is in the middle of its evolution phase from a water animal into a land animal.  IN the meantime it\'s habbit still involves both water and land.  It once had fins like a fish but those fins are evovling into legs used for walking.

Also, It is beleived that birds evolved from reptiles. A while back a reptile was found that once had feathers:  A creature that could also have been in the middle of its evolution process.

What is the name of this fish?  Mud puppy?  I need more info on it.  Habitat,  its food etc

Clowd, can I ask you a question?

Could you tell me why men (and women ) have to shave their face every 3 days?
Could you tell me why grains appear in puberty?

Please, try to reply. Don\'t ignore these questions.

Originally posted by Adan
Clowd, can I ask you a question?

Could you tell me why men (and women ) have to shave their face every 3 days?
Could you tell me why grains appear in puberty?

Please, try to reply. Don\'t ignore these questions.

Whats wrong with a beard?

Grains in purberty?  What do you mean.

Originally posted by Clowd


What is the name of this fish?  Mud puppy?  I need more info on it.  Habitat,  its food etc

Mudskipper.

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The following is an extract from David Attenborough\'s "Life on Earth" :
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" One of the most crucial episodes in the history of life took place some 350 million years ago in a freshwater swamp. Fish began to haul themselves out of the water to become the first back-boned creatures to colonise the land. To cross this frontier, they - like the first terrestrial invertebrates - had to solve two problems: first, how to move around out of water, and second, how to obtain oxygen from the air.

There is one fish alive today which manages to do both these things - the Mudskipper. It is not closely related to those fish who pioneered the land, so any comparisons with them have to be made with caution, but even so it can give us a hint about how that momentous move was accomplished.

Mudskippers are only a few centimetres long and you can find them in mangrove swamps and muddy estuaries in many parts of the tropics, lying on the glistening mud well beyond the lap of the waters. Some may even be clinging to arching aerial roots of the mangroves or clambering up the trunks. A sudden movement or an abrupt noise will send them skittering back to the safety of the water. They come out to feed on the insects and other invertebrates that swarm on the oozy surface of the mud. they move by suddenly flexing the hinder end of their body so that they give a little skipping jump. But they also have a steadier, more sober way of edging themselves forward with their front pair of fins. Each of these has a fleshy base supported internally by bones - the fin is, in effect, a rigid crutch. With it the fish can lever itself forward...

But what solution could the early fish find to the problem of breathing out of water? The Mudskipper manages to do so by holding water in its mouth which it swills over the lining of its mouth with a rolling action of its head to extract oxygen. It also absorbs some directly from the air through its moist skin. But these devices allow it to remain out of water for only a short time. Within a few minutes it has to return to wet its skin and take a fresh mouthful of water. "
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http://members.ozemail.com.au/~thebobo/mud.htm

Well, grains and beard are the legacy of our predecessors. Apes have and had hair in the face. Am I right? We, as result of evolution, have lost a big part of that hair. Women have lost it almost completely because female animals don\'t stand out big characteristics.

Notice that grains go out in puberty, at same time that beard. The mission of those grains, like in other animals and apes, is grease the hair in order to have it soft and protected. Perhaps, today those grains haven\'t that function in our faces cause we have not enough hair to lubricate. They aren\'t there because GOD wanted this way. To sum up, hair and grains in our faces is a legacy of monkeys, that will dissapear, probably, with the years (not 1 or 2, thousands).

We evolve. We evolved. And we will evolve.

Fossils showing the evolution of things have been found.  One of teh better examples is the fossils showing the evolution of the horse hoof found by Othniel Charles Marsh.  He found fossils, which he used to support Darwin\'s theory.  Diagrams of the fossils clearly illustrate the gradual change that took place:



These show a clear progression in the change of the horse hoof on animals that otherwise had extremely similar skeletal structures.  

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