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however natural selection (while it still plays a major role in evolution) is not what actually causes the correct mutations to occur at the time they are needed. It\'s a catalyst, not a cause.

Oh, I know that natural selection doesn\'t cause mutations--that\'s caused by mating, imperfect replication, and genetic damage.
Natural selection is the drive behind evolution.  The ultimate fuel, I guess, is entropy.  

Without religion people simply die like the bugs we step on.

We die regardless.  I\'ll die without the cushy promise of an afterlife or the threat of eternal damnation.  I\'ll just...stop.  I\'m not particularly pleased with the idea that I\'ll be dead within 90 years, there\'s not a whole lot I can do about it.  I\'ll hope that people smarter than me figure out ways to extend the human lifespan, but I\'m realistic.  I\'ll likely be dead before Halley\'s Comet comes back.

Religions fade away, nations fall, people die.  If you feel like being without religion would make your life as worthless as an insect\'s, more power to you.

Ok, let me clarify what I meant about "backing it up". What I meant was to find a source if you were going to make a claim of evidence/proof/fact. Like "chariots were found in the red sea" - well, BACK IT UP. Otherwise it\'s just one man\'s BS. Just an example mind you.

The bible quotations are fine, as they state where to find that info yourself.

You are allowed to state your opinion, but don\'t make it out as fact unless you have a source.

Hope that clears it up.

Originally posted by Titan
God created all life. So, what created God? He just didn\'t spring out of nothing. He had to have been created by something. Life just doesn\'t magically appear on earth.

On that note, what caused the Big Bang? Were the materials necessary to create the universe/all life as we know it resting in one spot for eons and then decided to just seperate one day? Anyone with an inkling of knowledge about physics can tell you that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. What was the "action" to the big bang\'s "reaction"?

On a somewhat related note, Just like some of you can pose questions that can not be answered by even the most well read religious scholar, I can pose questions about Human history and development that continue to stump some of the most learned evolutionary scientists. I can elaborate if you want.

Originally posted by Gohan
On that note, what caused the Big Bang? Were the materials necessary to create the universe/all life as we know it resting in one spot for eons and then decided to just seperate one day? Anyone with an inkling of knowledge about physics can tell you that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. What was the "action" to the big bang\'s "reaction"?

On a somewhat related note, Just like some of you can pose questions that can not be answered by even the most well read religious scholar, I can pose questions about Human history and development that continue to stump some of the most learned evolutionary scientists. I can elaborate if you want.

Interesting how its so hard to believe in God,  but it is so easy to believe in the big bang.

Please elaborate

It is impossible to prove evolution or creation by facts.  When i mean by prove is that there is no doubt in your mind.  What people should do is take the facts that are present,  and put 2 and 2 together and it will lead to something.

Shadwhawk,  are you trying to prove evolution or that other word?

Titan you ask where did God come from.  You cant look at it from a human standpoint.  You had a beginning.  You understand the concept of a beginning.  You realize that everything on earth had a beginning.  But God isnt human.

Clowd: This is the one thread that is supposed to be completely factual, and yet you are telling us to put two and two together without having posted any facts yet.  Post something then maybe you will have some credibility.

Originally posted by shockwaves
Clowd: This is the one thread that is supposed to be completely factual, and yet you are telling us to put two and two together without having posted any facts yet.  Post something then maybe you will have some credibility.

It doesnt have to be facts.  That mud skipper is hardly hard evidence that evolution exists.  And you say my left hand right fact isnt either.

I said 2 and 2 will lead to \'something\'

I have start reading the bible and I can´t belive some things that is writen in it.
I will post stuff from the bible here later but damn it does not look good.

Originally posted by Clowd


  That mud skipper is hardly hard evidence that evolution exists.  

What is it then ? You asked : Show me a fish with arms, so we did.

Why does it have arms?  Because it needs them for the mud.

And thats just one example.  One animal evolving in the entire world.  If it was such a great example evolution would be stated as fact now.

Which is the case.

Evolution is considered to be as close to fact as you can get.  It is what virtually all scientist accept.

And Clowd, the purpose of this thread was to have a discussion on this topic with out the bickering over opinions and such.  Simwise said that the posts should all have facts, not opinions, and sources to back them up.  We all did that, you should do the same.

Originally posted by SonyFan
The great flood for example, I recall, was proven.. but it wasn\'t a mass extiction causing event and only covered a reletively small area of the earth\'s total landmass.

Ill do more research on this,  but in a recent discovery magazine article,  it stated there was a flood wich caused mass extinction large enough to kill the dinosaurs.

I guess no one will take this as fact until I post a link

[Titan]

Clowd, do you believe that Joshua stopped the sun? I have a great arguement for that if you want to get into it.

Originally posted by Titan
Clowd, do you believe that Joshua stopped the sun? I have a great arguement for that if you want to get into it.

No, he didnt,  God did.

[Titan]

Whatever. That\'s not the point. It\'s phisically impossible for the sun to stop. Do you know what would happen if you stopped the sun? The bible was written at the time when we were "special" and were the center of the universe. They had the impression that the sun rotated around the earth as well as the whole universe. But physically, the earth rotates on it\'s axis. Do you know what would happen if the earth did stop rotating on it\'s axis? The mountains would collapse, the seas would probably flood (gravity ) , the sky\'s probably would fall. It\'s simple physics. Not to mention the constant sun beaming on the earth. The temperatures would rise because there is no night or darkness. Basically to put it so you would understand, we would be screwed up the bum. Not sure if that\'s 100% true. I read it in a book one time (Inherit the Wind. Its a very good book. Read it sometime Clowd). Might have been a bit exagerated.