Science\'s argument against evolution (Long but interesting read)

Originally posted by shockwaves
Clowd.  Find some damn info to back up your posts.  You have no idea how misinformed some of your posts are.

You aren\'t a moron for believing in creationism.  No one is saying that.  It\'s the crap you\'re posting, and the way no one can get even the simplest of things through to you (such as evolution has nothing to do with how life began), that makes you seem like a complete moron.

You can stop the childish name calling now.

Misinformed posts?  Enlighten me, please

Half the world doesnt believe in evolution.  They are morons?  The theory cant even be proved.  WHy believe in it?  In fact there is evidence pointing against it.

Samwise I have nothing to back creation up with?  Ever heard of a post called Origin of life Part1?

All this proves is just how confused all you are.  You dont even know what to believe.  Some say no, God,  some say God but believe in evolution,  some believe in asteroids,  and some are dumbfounded

Im the only one who believes in something,  from how the universe was made to now.

BTW Clowd, did you ever think about the fact that scientists of today might not be able to see the whole truth about everything? Science evolves all the time (no pun intented). Just look a few hundred years back - people thought the Earth was round, they didn\'t know of DNA, bacteria and thusands of other things. Today we have much more and better knowledge - but by no means have we learned and discovered everything there is to learn. In 200 years we\'ll know SO much more than we do now. So just because we might not be able to prove something 100%, doesn\'t mean it\'s in fact not correct on some level we just can\'t understand yet.

Im the only one who believes in something, from how the universe was made to now.

[/b]Congratulations, that automatically makes your opinion true. :rolleyes:

Samwise I have nothing to back creation up with? Ever heard of a post called Origin of life Part1?

[/b]No, actually I haven\'t looked at it yet.

EDIT: As I glanced through your theories one post got my attention:

And can we repeat ourselves any more. No one is debating you on how life was created!! It\'s about how life has evolved.

[/b]Ok, to make this as easy to reply to for you as possible, I\'ll make an multiple answer quiz. Just reply A, B, C or D for your answer.

A: Yes, I understand that when we discuss evolution, we\'re not talking about origin of life.

B: No, I don\'t understand the difference but won\'t admit it.

C: Yes, I understand the difference but I keep on bickering about it because I\'m obviously not very intelligent.

D: No, I don\'t understand the difference and is therefore somewhat excused (to the extent being a moron qualifies as an excuse).

Choose one.

Originally posted by Clowd


You can stop the childish name calling now.

Misinformed posts?  Enlighten me, please

Half the world doesnt believe in evolution.  They are morons?  The theory cant even be proved.  WHy believe in it?  In fact there is evidence pointing against it.

Samwise I have nothing to back creation up with?  Ever heard of a post called Origin of life Part1?

All this proves is just how confused all you are.  You dont even know what to believe.  Some say no, God,  some say God but believe in evolution,  some believe in asteroids,  and some are dumbfounded

Im the only one who believes in something,  from how the universe was made to now.

Every post where you related evolution to how life began was misinformed.  That\'s just a starting point too.

And I don\'t believe that half the world doesn\'t believe in evolution.  Where did you get that from?

And post some god damn sources to back up your facts.  Without them, your facts are meaningless (as if they wouldn\'t be anyway)

Originally posted by Samwise
BTW Clowd, did you ever think about the fact that scientists of today might not be able to see the whole truth about everything? Science evolves all the time (no pun intented). Just look a few hundred years back - people thought the Earth was round, they didn\'t know of DNA, bacteria and thusands of other things. Today we have much more and better knowledge - but by no means have we learned and discovered everything there is to learn. In 200 years we\'ll know SO much more than we do now. So just because we might not be able to prove something 100%, doesn\'t mean it\'s in fact not correct on some level we just can\'t understand yet.

Ok, to make this as easy to reply to for you as possible, I\'ll make an multiple answer quiz. Just reply A, B, C or D for your answer.

A: Yes, I understand that when we discuss evolution, we\'re not talking about origin of life.

B: No, I don\'t understand the difference but won\'t admit it.

C: Yes, I understand the difference but I keep on bickering about it because I\'m obviously not very intelligent.

D: No, I don\'t understand the difference and is therefore somewhat excused (to the extent being a moron qualifies as an excuse).

Choose one. [/B]

*Remembers to 2-4 days ago when debate started.  Didnt you ask me to prove creation?  

How did this switch to evolution?  You gave up there not be a creator?

Originally posted by Clowd
Didnt you ask me to prove creation?

And I\'m still waiting - and that means I can wait for an eternity. You can never proove creation. You can speculate yes and it can even be your opinion - but proof? No. Besides, the thread is called "science\'s argument against evolution" - isn\'t it about evolution in one way or another then?

You gave up there not be a creator? [/B]

Say what? I couldn\'t decipher that. Must be holy language or something.

PS. You still didn\'t choose A-D.

Originally posted by Samwise
Say what? I couldn\'t decipher that. Must be holy language or something.

PS. You still didn\'t choose A-D.

The origin of spontaneous life is all about evolving,    thus  its evolution.  The amino acids grows and changes into living things.  Thats evolution.

P.S.  Lets try to keep this thread in hand,  so we can have reasonable debates.

Originally posted by Clowd
P.S.  Lets try to keep this thread in hand,  so we can have reasonable debates.

Wow.  Just wow

And evolution, once again, has nothing to do with how life was formed.  Some theories on the formation of life may use evolution, but the theory of evolution itself does not connect to any theory on the origin of life.

Originally posted by shockwaves


Wow.  Just wow

And evolution, once again, has nothing to do with how life was formed.  Some theories on the formation of life may use evolution, but the theory of evolution itself does not connect to any theory on the origin of life.

Wow.  Just wow

Evolution is a broad term,  you should know that.

Ok Clowd, just a one word answer here.  Does evolution suggest anything about the origin of life?

Originally posted by shockwaves
Ok Clowd, just a one word answer here.  Does evolution suggest anything about the origin of life?

Again, evolution is  a broad term.  It can be used for the origin of life depending on what you think caused life.  If you think amino acids were created in the primitive atmosphere,  It is the truth that they EVOLVED into cells and EVOLVED into whatever next,  egg or chicken I dont know

No, that really isn\'t true.  The actual theory of evolution suggests NOTHING about the origin of life.  Other theories on the origin of life may use evolution, but the fact is that evolution does not suggest a thing about the origin of life.  If you don\'t realise that, then you are arguing from an ignorant place indeed.

Originally posted by shockwaves
No, that really isn\'t true.  The actual theory of evolution suggests NOTHING about the origin of life.  Other theories on the origin of life may use evolution, but the fact is that evolution does not suggest a thing about the origin of life.  If you don\'t realise that, then you are arguing from an ignorant place indeed.

You dont know darwinism, do you...

Actually, I do.

But Clowd, please listen to this.  Don\'t think I\'m saying this to attack you or anything, I\'m just giving you some honest advice.

When you reply by making an assumption about someone, like saying they know little on a subject, or something to that effect, that is what annoys people.  

Also, you have to learn that there are some touchy topics.  Religion is one of them.  Don\'t treat them how you would a normal video game topic or something.

Quick question to those that say Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.

How are you proposing that life began then? If evolution did in fact exist wouldn\'t there be some aspect of "the survival of the fittest" at the onset of life?

Well, I could very well believe that god created a set of simple life forms, and they evolved from there.  I could also say that life just always existed, and never had a real start to it.  We have just been continually evolving forever.  There are endless possibilities really.