Lmao

Well, we inically had planned somewhat on having a Gamecube site, and using n64cc as an archive. But, the .net scene has pretty much went down south, money was an issue, and so was the interest.

I hadn\'t even known that the n64cc forums fully shut down a couple weeks after. I pretty much jumped ship when mm did, for the very last time to dedicate my time here.

The "fools" can still be found here, http://www.renegadeonline.net

Although, once I posted there, they immediately IP banned my ass :rolleyes:

So go figure

Yeah, I know about *shudder* Renegade.  That\'s a little different though.  Besides the very limited activity, it just has a completely different feel to it.  Viper, Supersmart and company...no matter how many people sided with them during the n64cc days, they definitely aren\'t that good at running things for themselves.

Besides, some of them aren\'t really the type of people I miss.

[Cerberus]

That\'s a very "hypnotic" avatar you have there jm.

Originally posted by shockwaves
Yeah, I know about *shudder* Renegade.  That\'s a little different though.  Besides the very limited activity, it just has a completely different feel to it.  Viper, Supersmart and company...no matter how many people sided with them during the n64cc days, they definitely aren\'t that good at running things for themselves.

Besides, some of them aren\'t really the type of people I miss.

I don\'t really know if it gets any more ignorant than that, bud. Yes, that, "very limited activity" that you saw the last time you went there, and when was that, November? From what I\'ve seen over the past 2 or 3 days, Renegade has been more active than this place TO AN EXTENT. I realize a lot of people are on vactation or working here, but there seems to have been more posts at Renegade then there has here.

As for Viper, Supersmart, and that crew banning Joe\'s IP, well, I could talk to them about it, but lord knows they won\'t change their views. Even if they did, they\'d probably spend their time bitching at you and cussing you out in the best way they know how. Platy\'s gotten worse as things have gone...doesn\'t seem like he\'ll listen to anybody anymore.

Got done lookin\' through some nostaliga last night, kinda made me realized how awesome, yet how deprived we were back in the day. With my bitchin\' WebTV HTML Skills, and the fact that everybody else had their own personal crappy site, it was just somethin\' cool to look at, and I miss it. It\'s sad to see what happened to that board in the end...Damn, I really do miss those boards in 1999.

So yes, in summary, Renegade - improving, Shockwaves - needs to open his eyes once in a damn while, you gotta at least LOOK at the site once in a while before you judge the shit out of it, and Joe - haven\'t talked to your ass in a while...maybe I should open up ICQ again, meh.

See Yuz.

More activity?  You\'ve gotta be kidding me.  We have 29 topics which have already been posted in so far today.  Over at Renegade you don\'t have half that number.  I\'ve only been posting at these boards for a few months, and I have nearly the same number of posts that Viper and Supersmart have combined at Renegade, which they\'ve been posting at far longer.  And in the time since I\'ve been here, there have been many people who have posted more than me.  The fact also remains that when it comes to running things, Brian is slower than shit.  Hell, it took him god knows how long just to put the old web design back up, even with no content on it.  He never even changed the text banner at the top of the forums to match the color scheme.

The fact also remains that a lot of the people there are not the people I miss from the cc.  Personally, and I\'m not sure if I\'m alone in this view or what, but I would rather post in the presence of jm and mm than Viper and Supersmart.

(And this is despite the fact that me and Brian still hold a bit of a grudge against eachother...strangely enough, for a time that I backed up jm when he was attacking the way things were going).

That\'s ridiculous. Had you even bothered to look at the place, oh, a week ago, you would notice a sizeable difference. But no, you haven\'t. You\'ve checked once, and that alone you form an opinion of. Yes, things were really bad before about 3 weeks ago, but thinks have picked up in a big way, and you haven\'t seen it. Yet, you draw your opinion from just seeing what\'s going on right now. You draw your opinion from Viper and Supersmart, that\'s just great. Shadow Spawn has somehow amassed about 250 posts in about a week. None of which was either spam or just stupid shit. Well, some stupid shit, but that\'s another issue.

I think that\'s just fine and ****in\' dandy that you feel "safer" from what you\'re getting at, under jm, than you would, say, Supersmart, or Viper. It\'s not my, nor their fault that you decided to say some ignorant things when you first got to the cc\'s. You said it, he reacted to it. End of discussion right there. The fact is, neither of you can forgive or forget, and I suppose you haven\'t even talked to him for quite some time, thus, never even getting to know him at all. Supersmart\'s in it for the good, you just can\'t choose to recognize it.

Now, you can say that Brian is a slower worker, and this can be true at times. Well, I\'m sorry, but College seems to be pretty damn time consuming. Hell, in a year you\'ll probably back off of that, simply because you\'ll be there yourself. Yes, the site isn\'t up, and everybody\'s getting on his case about it, but in time, it will get up. The reason you don\'t like anybody there, is because they were at the cc\'s before you were, thus, being unrecoginzeable to you. That\'s all fine and dandy, but the fact that you\'ve gotten to know the people here, but refuse to get to know the people there, that just gets me. I don\'t know why, but it does. You haven\'t tried, and this part angers me.

See Yuz.

*sigh* You\'re really missing my point.

I do not feel unsafe there.  Sure, Brian may not like me that much, but the fact is he has never done a thing to take any of that out on me while I\'ve been at Renegade.  There was a time when I did actively post at Renegade too.  Hell, for a while I was the #1 poster when it was on a YaBB.  

It isn\'t that I don\'t know people either.  When I first started to post here, there were a lot more people I knew at Renegade than here.  Hell, I still probably know a lot of the people there better than anyone here.  That isn\'t the issue either.

The fact is, this place runs a lot more smoothly.  This place has more people, and more posts.  But more importantly, this place has room for growth.  Renegade will never grow far beyond it\'s current group of people, simply because there is nothing at all to draw people there.

Hell, it\'s also things like what Joe said.  He goes there, they immediately IP ban him.  You don\'t see any of your Renegade leaders getting banned from here that way.  I don\'t know, there\'s just something about the overall look and feel of the place that just isn\'t right to me.  Perhaps it\'s just me, I don\'t know.  

Besides, if activity comes as quickly, like you said it has in the past days, what\'s to keep it from going as quickly?

Nothing\'s to keep it. You say Brian hasn\'t done squat...while you\'ve been here, Ignoring Renegade, there have been 3 contests, one going on right now. You can actually win stuff for participating in the contests, it\'s actualy quite nifty indeed. Sure, it costs him money, but he doesn\'t care, as long as it draws people.

Of course, you have failed to regonize the positive of what\'s going on there, immediatley focusing on the negative (i.e. things have been slow as far as the actual site goes). And as I already said, IP Banning Joe was a mistake on their part that they will never fix, and will never think of fixing. There\'s anger there, they weren\'t listened to, and that was their final way of reacting. Sure, it\'s a bit immature, but that\'s how they handled the situation, right or wrong, and it will never change. As for the "you don\'t see any of your Renegade Leaders getting banned here", well, there\'s no real opportunity for them to get banned. Why? Because I\'m the only damn Renegade Leader here. None of them have even bothered to come here, and I\'m the only one representing Renegade for these boards. In fact, I am one of the few that actually go to both boards. You and Fayded are mainstays here, meanwhile, the others are at Renegade, and only renegade. Sure, they got their own projects, but they do go to Renegade on a regular basis, but they don\'t come here.

It\'s their own choice, and they have made their own opinion. I\'ve seen you and Fayded lobby for them to come here, but they haven\'t. It\'s their choice, and it seems to be a popular one.

See Yuz.

Ok, lets not turn this topic into a debate apon the past. God gave us eyes to look foward, not backward.

With my situation in getting banned over there is my biz. Personally, I can\'t argue over it, cause I\'ve kicked their asses so many times over in my territory, so whatever they do on theres is their own thing. I mean, I wasn\'t expecting anything more than what Viper did and changed my sig. Oh my, how original was that? I sure wasn\'t dissapointed cause my expectations wasn\'t that high to begin with.

Jamas, you can tell them this since I\'m not gonna even bother and waste my life in attempting at telling them this.

As my last words reguarding Viper, supersmart and Co., I take no regrets in what I\'ve done. Losing their respect for me is no big loss, and I\'ve lost almost all respect for them as well. I\'ll never forgive them for the backstabbing they\'ve done over the years. If it\'s one thing I can\'t stand, is people I\'ve learned to trust come back and backstab me in some of the worst ways possible. It all boils down to that they only fooled themselves. Not me.

Viper, Supersmart, and Platy for that manner are self-centered human beings whom are fed up with themselves, esp. Viper. No brainer! Massive ego\'s fuel their lives. lsdkjdlk, whatever. That\'s just my viewpoint apon them. I doubt they really care (again, my expectations for them realizing reality are pretty low.)

As for my ICQ presence, I still have it, it\'s on my XP partition I rarely use cause it gives me 10000000000000 problems. Maybe one days I should convert my contacts to Trillian, I haven\'t gotten around to using that either. Oh well

*shrug*

I never said that others don\'t like Renegade James, just that I don\'t, and not for the reasons that you seem to think.  Sure Brian can throw money at something to try to make it work, but ask him to actually change a banner to match the boards, something that in all honesty would take all of 2 minutes, and he\'s suddenly too busy.  That I don\'t buy.

By the way James, search for a user with the name "Viper".  You will find that he not only exists, but has a couple posts here.  And that\'s since the older post records were lost.

As for my ignorant mistake when I first got there, here\'s the thing.  The more I have learned, the more I believe that what I said, which got Brian so pissed off was actually true.  I\'ve just learned that there are some things you shouldn\'t just come out and say.  That was one of them.

You know how Renegade could win me back?  It\'s plain and simple.  Redo the boards.  Give them a new layout.  Not only would that make the damn thing look better (because hell, I\'ve shitted out better looking things than the current design), but it would show that they are actually willing to put some time and effort into making the place work.  And as for his "I\'m busy at college" excuse, guess what?  It\'s summer, that doesn\'t work now.

Hmm, alright then. That design? That was another ploy to get back at Joe, simply because they hated the design they had there (the one they have here). Sure, it sucks, but in their eyes, it\'s better than this layout. Their choice. Work has been put into the forums, yes. More Forums have been added, contests, etc. The Banner will be changed soon, hopefully, anyway.

"Sure Brian can throw money at something to try to make it work". This isn\'t a baseball team, Tony. You have to put money into a message board in order to make it work. Hell, look at joe here, money\'s been put into this Message Board, hell, look at the chat. 75 bucks a year just to keep that chat. What is it for? To make the Message Board better.

Why did Viper and company and here? Simply to rag jm and mm, basically. Why weren\'t they banned? That\'s beyond me. If you\'re trying to use that as an argument, you\'re only trying to prove that jm is a "better person", and not a better administrator than Viper is, and that\'s totally out of discussion.

Oh, and back to the layout thing, something tells me that the layout isn\'t the little nitpick that\'s holding you back from posting at Renegade Ever again, as you stated earlier in an AIM conversation.

See Yuz.

I never said I wouldn\'t post there again...just that I\'d be surprised if I ever did.  And no, it isn\'t the layout.  I\'m just saying that doing something to it would show a little effort.  

Does it take money to run a board like this or like Renegade?  Yes.  But it takes time and effort too.  Hell, you told me to check something there.  When I went to look up a member, they didn\'t even have a damn member list in there.  

The fact is though, just look back over the cc.  Tell me that there wasn\'t a time, while I was there, that Viper didn\'t really hold all the power there.  He wasn\'t a member of the staff, but after mm left, and the admin situation was a mess, Viper controlled things.  The Gamemaster situation that came up was a perfect example of that.  If there was a member he didn\'t personally like, he\'d run them off the damn boards.  That\'s the difference here.  Look at people like Clowd.  No one liked him, he pissed most of us off, but no one made him leave.  He just happened to have different opinions.  That\'s the difference.  If Viper makes a stupid comment there, unless you\'re someone who he respects, you can\'t call him on it.  If someone with some power here makes a stupid comment, you can say something, no matter who you are.  In the system I\'ve seen at Renegade, you have to prove yourself to people before they respect a thing you say.  It was that way at the cc for a while too.  You were a moron until you proved otherwise.  Here, you are an intelligent poster, until you proved otherwise.  You don\'t get comments like "You\'ve been here for all of 2 days, why should I listen to you"  People don\'t throw things like that in your face, the way they did at the cc.  Perhaps that\'s part of the difference.  

Anyway, I\'m not trying to prove anything about how Renegade is being run.  I\'m just saying how I see things, and the reasons that I don\'t go there.  Others may see things differently, and I\'m sure a lot of people do.  This is just me.

Alright, so you dislike Renegade because they judge people as to how long they\'ve been there. You liked the cc\'s, but they did the exact same thing at times. What, pray tell, from that standpoint alone, makes Renegade so bad, yet the cc\'s can be so great?

I liked the cc\'s, too, but I like Renegade, also. You really gotta get your point across.

See Yuz.

When Renegade was created, it was created by only a certain element of the cc.  Viper, Platy, Supersmart, all those guys, were sort of like a group of people.  One element within the cc\'s population.  There was another one too, people more like myself, and Cory, and those types of people.  The ones that didn\'t have a place to go after the cc closed.  Then ones that maybe tried Renegade and didn\'t stay, or even the ones that didn\'t try it at all.  They sort of balanced things out at the cc.  The people who were there more, it seemed, to fun and comedy than to insult people and boost their own egos.  The whole group of people who did insult others like that seemed to make it to Renegade.  Many of the other types of people did not.  It\'s just unbalanced the way it is.

Besides, at the cc, things that Viper did were different in that, in reality, he wasn\'t a staff member.  He didn\'t speak for the forums.  His views weren\'t rules.  You COULD go against him if you really wanted to.  Or you could escape him...go to the main forum or something.  At Renegade, that\'s different.  It\'s like taking all the little bad points from the cc, and making them policy.  I hope that explained the difference a little.

Questions?  Comments? :o

Ohh, I see, you mean, the older people went to Renegade, while the people who were younger just kind of ventured off. Go Age Supremacy.

The fact is, Viper only really tried to attract the older members that you never really got to know, which is why I like Renegade. They have gotten many-a-old timer on Renegade, which kicks all ass for nostaliga freaks like myself. Of course, if I want to talk to the newer generation (basically a year and farther) after 1999, I talk to em\' on AIM or come here. Hell, most of em\' even go to Renegade, so your opinion really doesn\'t matter, does it?

I\'m done. See Yuz.