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« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2002, 11:27:27 AM »
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Particularly the graphics which were so underwhelming. [/B]


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« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2002, 11:37:03 AM »
mm you crack me up

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« Reply #47 on: August 04, 2002, 12:56:01 PM »
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hey PStwo do you Dream of Electric Sheep ?



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« Reply #48 on: August 04, 2002, 01:56:37 PM »
ooseven, you forgot that u were talking about pstwo,
someone who didnt know what "pong" was, let alone a novel written 30 years ago

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« Reply #49 on: August 04, 2002, 06:42:38 PM »
nor a movie about 20 years ago, eh mm? :)

While I do not appreciate the gathering of all XBox bashers into this thread at one time, I would like to congratulate you on the purchase of an XBox. The great games are there you just have to weed out the utter crap, that, incidentally is on EVERY system, and is in mu more quantities on PS2.

GET:

Project Gotham (best racing game I have seen in years, rip your own soundtracks and get kudos. When you can get thousands of kudos on one track, you know you are good)

Rallisport Challenge (best rally game in years. Smokes everything but Sega Rally 2)

Munch - people who bash this game have not played it or have some fanboyish rage for Oddworld Inhabitants because they left PS2 in the dust for a bag full of money.

GUNVALKYRIE - very cool bug blasting. Very intuitive controls that get better every minute you use them. When you are able to touch the ground only when you want to or need to, you know you are getting good. Excellent graphics, soundtrack, and challenge.

JSRF - more of a platformer over the original, but everything has been fine tuned, right down to the control. Excellent, huge levels, still the best cel shading out there.

rent - Wreckless, Enclave, and Amped to see if you like them. Each are excellent, but only Amped gives any redeeming replay value. Also rent Morrowind to see if you like it. The game offers lots of freedom, but gives you plenty to do. Very cool game.

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« Reply #50 on: August 04, 2002, 07:05:21 PM »
Hmm.. I agree with everything on Altered\'s list except two. First off, Project Gotham. It\'s really nothing but an upgraded MSR. Some of the bells and whistles they added are nice.. like the ability to playback your Mp3 collection in game.. but the gameplay itself isn\'t really all that spectacular. It\'s different.. and that might be enough to turn you onto the game.. but the reliance on the Kudos system might turn you off like it did me. This is one I suggest renting.

Also.. I think he should take Wreckless off the rental list. It\'s eyecandy.. but nothing more. Whereas Project Gotham is jus a bit different.. Wreckless is pure crap. I spent an hour with this game.. really too long.. I can\'t see how Altered calls it excellent. It is worth a rental just to serve as an example of the kinda eyecandy garbage you should look out for.

Oh.. and get JGRF. It\'s awsome. :D
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« Reply #51 on: August 04, 2002, 07:11:20 PM »
I loved the Super Runabout games, and it is basically a new one with no replay value. I thought it was great for a few hours, and then I beat it.

He has probably never played MSR, as he lives in Australia, where DC was worse off than anywhere else. PGR is excellent, and you can turn off reliance on kudos, you know. You can choose to win races with actual speed, but driving with powerslides and all that to get points is more fun to me, especially while listening to custom soundtracks.

BTW, the Shenmue OST is EXCELLENT!!! WOW! Talk about movie-quality production, truly great stuff!


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« Reply #52 on: August 04, 2002, 07:41:56 PM »
I know.. but I\'m pretty sure Bobbo said he had a DC at one point. Either way.. expecially if he hasn\'t played MSR before.. it\'s good to give it a rental first. That option to turn off the Kudos wasn\'t in the DC MSR was it? I never found the option for it anyhow.

BTW: What\'s IS the Shenmue OST? Jus the Xbox version of Shenmue II or is it something else? Sorry, ain\'t been keeping up on it since Shenmue II on Xbox holds absolutely no interest for me.
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« Reply #53 on: August 04, 2002, 11:01:00 PM »
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Compared to what?


Gran Turismo 3 :)

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Project Gotham is not on my list.  No I never played MSR, and it never really interested me.  The idea of Kudos, and having to do powerslides and such to obtain the kudos actually does turn me off even more (being that I\'m not a racing game fan to begin with).. especially because I have never liked power sliding in racing games, i prefer to up the handling to maximum and use tight cornering and plenty of brakes :)

Rallisport Challenge.. I rented this out about 3 weeks ago (when I rented an XBox) and I was expecting a great game.  Apart from the great framerate it was kind of underwhelming for me.  All it made me want to do was plug in the Colin McRae demo for PSX that I have (which the next day.. I did :))

Munch.. I just bought it about 30 minutes ago.. unfortunately my house-mates are playing some co-op Halo as I type this, and I have to go to work in an hour.. so I might not get to play it for a few hours :(

GUNVALKYRIE is a rental for sure.  Controls and such has never been a problm for me, I\'m pretty good at adjusting, and this seems to be a hit or miss game.. So I\'m hoping it hits (for me)

JSRF just doesnt seem like my type of game (I\'m usually pretty good at guessing which games I will like, and which I will dislike... usually).. but if I\'m really bored one day I\'ll give it a rental

Wreckless, Enclave and Amped are possible rentals.. but I don\'t like their chances :D

And no SonyFan I have never owned a DC, although I have been looking for one.. they just don\'t seem to be ANYWHERE down here.. I guess it really did do poorly.  Besides that, I\'m probably not looking too hard seeing as most of the great DC games (that I want) will be ported and/or getting their sequals on the PS2/GCN/XB soon :)

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« Reply #54 on: August 05, 2002, 05:42:35 AM »
To say so underwhelming just doesn\'t seem right...GT3 is a little better looking, but compared to every other racer Project Gotham is still on top.

GunValkyrie will eat you alive.

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« Reply #55 on: August 05, 2002, 09:30:24 AM »
a little!?  i just played PG then, it looks horrible in comparison :crap:

and I didnt really like the PG gameplay, obviously if i play it more I\'ll get more into it, but meh, not my type of game.

BTW Altered, I changed my mind, I\'m gonna give all those games you listed a rental :)  I hesitated because I don\'t like to rent (I have huge overdue fees)  But most of those games, as much as I might like them, are not the sort of games that I would buy.  Eh, go figure :)

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« Reply #56 on: August 05, 2002, 12:44:27 PM »
just play them with an open mind and you will most likely enjoy them. Throw away all the crap people say about Wreckless. 90% of them probably have never played it. The game is a fast beautiful one, if only way too short. It is interesting to unlock the different video modes for the game, then the replay value drops to zero.

Try Project Gotham. Like I said, you can turn off kudos to win and race for place only. MSR didn\'t have that option. I was actually playing MSR last night for about 2 hours. Great game undeserved of the attention not given to it. Hard game, though. No mamsy-pamsy GT3 stuff here, you have to work for your races and kudos, which are harder in this game, because when you mess up, it actually takes points away, instead of just not giving you points!


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« Reply #57 on: August 05, 2002, 04:22:02 PM »
Gunvalkrie is great.  The people who bash it, never bothered to get good at it.  Why does every game have to pander to the masses and be incredibly easy and derrivative?  Remember Contra?  No continues, 3 lives.  Long, tough game.  We didn\'t complain, we adapted, learned to beat those impossible situations and eventually beat it.  And, boy what a feeling!

Back then games were modeled after arcade titles--geared towards sucking quarters out of patron\'s pockets.  Now games are made for the home market, for little children and casual fans.  That\'s why GV is scoffed at--because it\'s tough.  If GV was made in the 80s, there would be no save points, possibly continues.  That\'s it.  People were used to tough games back then: R-type, Black Tiger, Bionic Commando, etc.  Now, games that are tough are given 6s and dismissed.  

At first you will be convinced the controls are tougher than they have to be.  But once you adjust and fly through the air in true Gunvalkrie style, you can\'t help but get a rush.  It\'s great fun.  Sadly, most won\'t bother to give it a chance.  They\'d rather play Genma Onimusha, beat it in 5 hours 47 minutes and call it great.  :rolleyes:

To each his own I suppose.

I also really like Amped and PGR--two more tough games, that get dismissed for similar reasons.  Amped, uses a different control scheme from Tony We\'ll-hold-your-hand-for-the-whole-****ing-game Hawk and it\'s damn hard towards the end.  Reviewers didn\'t like it either.

People wished PGR was GT3, and reviewers couldn\'t help but compare it to it.  It\'s no GT3, they say, we\'ll give it a 7.  No shit it\'s not GT3 nor is it trying to be.

I\'ll stop ranting, there\'s plenty of kindling here for a fanboy\'s fire.
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« Reply #58 on: August 05, 2002, 05:17:03 PM »
dont listen to watch

gunvalkryie is a turd, a shiny turd, but still a turd

onimusha has style, and a plot
i believe gunvalkryie would be WORSE if it possessed either of those

i like how you call contra "long" when it can be beaten in under 30 minutes.  

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« Reply #59 on: August 05, 2002, 05:38:01 PM »
I call contra long because if you logged all the hours you spent up to the point where you are able to beat it in 30 minutes, it would be hours upon hours.  I beat Genma Onimusha the first day I got it.  The first ****ing day!  Plot?  My gawd, don\'t get me started on this stupid-I\'ve-seen-this-plot several-hundred-times-before plot.  Style is may have, but it\'s style you\'ve seen and played a hundred times before.

GV has style, sadly no one learns the game.  Any slob can pick up Genma and have "style" playing it.  GV actually requires you to be good at the game before it looks stylish.  

Tell me mm, how many times did you go mobius during your play time with GV?  If I remember your remarks about the game, you brought it back ten minutes after you rented it.  Yeah, that\'s an educated opinion you have of GV.  Your thought processes probably went like this:

Damn how do I move?
Shit I can\'t do anything.
It shouldn\'t have controls like this.
I do I ****ing turn?  It should turn with the right stick!
****ing thing, I died.
Gamespot was right, this game sucks.
I want to hit one button, do an assortment of attacks, and I want to breeze through the first 5 levels without any AI turned on.  During this, I want it to look like I am actually in control of the attacks.  Man games that use more than one button for attack suck.

Is that about right?

I\'m not saying it\'s a perfect game--for one thing the look-spring sucks and I\'d like to chose not to have it inverted, but adjust to it, give it a chance, and you might find a game with style.
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