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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2002, 08:29:46 AM »
Well I\'ve been watching the demo a fair bit at my local EB and it looks EXACTLY like the good screens that ##RaCeR## posted.  EXACTLY.  Expect high quality grapics from V8SuperCars/Toca Race Driver.

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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2002, 08:38:57 AM »
then they must have a different demo, it looks nothing like those screens.

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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2002, 08:43:22 AM »
Fugue...

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Fugue,

The TOCA demo is a very, very, very old build of the game. This has been discussed further at the granturismo.com forums.


That means they have completed the game, but the demo they released was an early build.  You know the warning they put up on demo discs (well they used to)?  That the demo on the disc does not represent the quality of the final product?

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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2002, 09:10:20 AM »
yeah i understand that, & appreciate what you are saying, and see it on most demos which for the most part DO actually give you a good impression of the final product, even if they are only 75/80% complete.

I\'ve yet to see a finished game that has a had the huge improvement needed to get close to the quality of those screens, it just doesn\'t look like that. You\'ld have to the jaggies to appreciate it.

I\'ll rent the game when it comes out and see what has been done if anything, I hope they can deliver the goods but to be honest based on what I\'ve seen I doubt that\'ll happen, If it does i\'ll be happy as this has been a must have until the demo.

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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2002, 09:18:40 AM »
Well I\'m just going by the rolling demo\'s I\'ve been watching at EB and they are stunning.  Best Racing game graphics since Gran Turismo (although is it 60fps?), on any console.

Perhaps I have been duped :confused:

:)  I hope I\'m right and you\'re wrong, otherwise there will be a lot of disappointed people :)

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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2002, 12:02:34 PM »
Well, i have now had a chance to play the demo and i can honestly say that it really isnt that bad.
yeah, the graphics are bad in places - namely the slowdown that causes bad graphics and i\'ll explain...

The game imho isn\'t taking advantage of the new way that coders are takling the jaggie issue.
The screen is updated by showing the odd lines in one frame then showing the even lines in the next frame (interleaved)
this is the old way of doing things. now most ps2 devs are drawing the screen from top to bottom in 1 pass
and upto as many times as 60 fps.

The slowdown causes the odd and even lines to be mixed creating a low-res look (pixels are double size!).
it\'s hard to explain but i gather that some of you know what i mean.

but looking beyond this, it plays ok. and i suppose that i\'ll still pick it up.
i will post more findings after the missus soaps are finished.. then i\'ll crack on with the demo again.

Oh, BTW.. if you get the demo put the language into austalian, then you will be able to race on a different circuit
than you would in any other language.
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2002, 01:34:30 PM »
thanks for clearing that up Stanzo.. So is this a old demo or not? Maybe someone can tell who has seen those "impressive vids" and played this demo...

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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2002, 11:58:06 PM »
I believe that those high quality screenshots that we have been fed are from either the PC version or the X-Box version.
I have seen PS2 footage before from a dvd, i think it was PSM here in the UK. so i was aware of the state of the game
but it didnt put me off from wanting the game. the demo that i\'ve played is very simlar.
It\'s a shame that there isn\'t a replay of the race when your finished in the demo as i could check it alongside
that old footage that i mentioned earlier. if they improve the framerate in the races then i cant ask for much more,
but the screenshots that are going around the net are definatley not those from the PS2 version.
There just too detailed and anybody who is honest enough with themselfs would have seen this a long way off.
There almost Pre-Render quality. imho the PS2 just cant cope with the geometry and texture resolution.

Take a look...






The texture resolution aswell as the overall Resolution is definatley not here in the PS2 version.
Look at them and check out the high detailed textures aswell as the slanted edges of objects.
A top end PC would even have trouble displaying such textures.
their either fabricated images or dev shots imho.
Just dont hope for visuals of this quality, or you definatley will be disapointed.

I just hope that the last 20% of the games creation is heavily based around code optimisations and tidying up
any loose ends in the graphics department. one thing that bothers me is that when the slowdown kicks in
is that the game physically slows down. it actualy takes longer to travel from point a-b when the slowdown kicks in.
as you can imagine, when you\'ve entered a corner at maximum attack then the game slows down, you loose all sense
of what the car is doing as the flow of speed is altered aswell as the response from the car.
but lets keep hope that that is on their top priority list.

There is aslo a NEW PC Demo available now but it\'s an iso file. you need to burn it onto a cd to play it.
it can be found at http://www.bhmotorsports.com . apparently it\'s from a valvoline oil promotion. there distributing the demo
on the front of thier oil cans. i have played it and i have a decent enough rig.

AMD 1.333 Ghz
GF4 TI4200
512 DDR

yeah, it looks better but for some reason i still prefer the PS2 version. the speed blur that codemasters has added to
the PS2 version is absent on the PC demo and this makes a huge difference. also the game chuggs along unless you
change the graphics settings and turn them down (check my specs). Like i said,
for some reason i prefer the PS2 demo.

Mmmm... 12 more days...

Edit: Yep, i just played the PC Demo again and these shots are definatley more PC than PS2
« Last Edit: August 11, 2002, 02:12:03 AM by StAnZo »
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« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2002, 04:04:53 AM »
Stanzo, I know what your saying, and I respect that, but c\'mon.

This is the PS2, and I cannot see why it couldn\'t handle those kinda graphics featured in those screens. I mean, the screens really look no better then GT3, a game which is claimed to not use the full potential of the PS2\'s hardware, and GT3 is a game which is now a year and a half old.

Now, I dont wanna get into some technical debate or anything, but I cannot see why PS2 cant do what its been claimed too in those screens and vids. TOCA has been in the making for some time now, so whilest 80% sounds \'almost complete\' in matter of fact it could very well have been a build from March! Most graphic tweaking happens in the absolute final stages of production. I just cannot see how Codemasters could make a game like Collin MaCrae 3 look so good and not do the same for TOCA, considering CM3 has not been underdev for as long.

I dunno, I hope that the game is alot better then the demo, but if it isn\'t then its put me in serious doubt over the PS2\'s power. I suppose I will have to buy an XBOX.

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« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2002, 04:13:56 AM »
I agree with Racer. And at that, I really hope that the demo is a really really old build, because if this demo does reflect the graphics of the game when it ships, then I feel that Codemasters all tricked us with nice dev/PC or Xbox screens all along.

Take a look at this screen posted in the other thread:


It\'s clearly a PS2 shot (thanks to the remote at the bottom left). This shot is also no worse then all the other ones posted further up in this thread, so if the PS2 version doens\'t look like this, then I think we can all agree that Codemasters have ****** us left right and center.

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« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2002, 04:47:16 AM »
I respect the post that racer had made but i\'m gonna go out on this one.. and please forgive me if i\'m wrong
but i believe this shot to have been doctored.


i await the finished version and i hope that i can be found wrong but seriously, i doubt it.
It looks like they have pasted a controler image on the lower left hand side. remeber, these images
have been available for months now.

Like i said before, i\'m going out on a limb here stating that i dont believe the ps2 is capable of such displays.

Please forgive me if i am wrong but i stand firm on this. i believe that Codemasters have been hyping the game up for a
long time and i just think that they have pulled a fast one.

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« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2002, 05:21:07 AM »
well, all I can say is, I hope we are all wrong here and that this has a simple explenation. If this is doctored, then I really lost a lot of respect from who ever doctored it (codemasters?).

On a side note, I do believe the PS2 can do these graphics - maybe not just by Codemasters. If this game does not have the hyped up graphics we were all waiting for, then (and mark my words) Gran Turismo 4 will.

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« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2002, 05:34:41 AM »
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On a side note, I do believe the PS2 can do these graphics - maybe not just by Codemasters. If this game does not have the hyped up graphics we were all waiting for, then (and mark my words) Gran Turismo 4 will.


Agreed. Polyphony are the masters at Racing Games and they have pushed the hardware right from the off.
But my love for GT3 has dwindled a lot but i think that thats due to losing my 97% complete save :0(
i really cant find the heart to start playing it again so i believe that i wont play GT3 again.
GT4 will be another deal tho\'. Esp since the online side should be set up.
GT Online.. Pure Bliss :0)

But i dont think that Codemasters can push the PS2\'s capabilitys anywhere near that of Polyphony.
CMR 3 has underwhelmed a lot of people in the press and i have heard rumours of people saying it\'s McRae 2.5
The big differences are retirements and the story mode but graphically it\'s still just like CMR2 (PC Version)
The only really good effect is the Rain/Snow on the windows.

man, i sound like i\'m getting sour so i\'l stop. on a better note...
I\'m still looking forward to playing Toca Race Driver and i know that i\'ll enjoy it no matter how it looks.

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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2002, 06:08:31 AM »
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I dunno, I hope that the game is alot better then the demo, but if it isn\'t then its put me in serious doubt over the PS2\'s power. I suppose I will have to buy an XBOX.


hah!  there\'s logic for you :rolleyes:
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« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2002, 06:11:06 AM »
I couldn\'t agree more and if TOCA does turn out to have that amazing gameplay as seen in the previous parts, then I\'ll probably pick this one up too. As for rally games... didn\'t hear that of CRM3 but now that you mention it, yeah it does seem that way. I don\'t know anyway, if WRC2 turnes out to have those incredible graphics and the realism of GT to back it up - I\'ll probably get that then. Still some time off, so I\'ll see. :)

As for GT4.. wow, online. It\'s THE racing game I\'m looking forward to... Apparently they showed some footage of it on TV here (the footage that was supposedly showed to the press behind closed doors). Apperantly, it\'s amazing. I don\'t know what to think of it though.. I quite doubt it, eventhough my friend swears it was GT4. IMO, if it was, the internet would be full of it... although I have absolutely no doubt that it will look aswell as play amazing.

 

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