"Jaggies" question

Sony\'s fault? Then, can we also blame Microsoft aswell? You\'re judging the whole console and blaming Sony just because of games with aliasing problems which is actually the developers fault. Jak and Daxter has probably more polygons running smoothly at 60 fps than 99% other games of other consoles - yet it is one of the games that has almost no aliasing and no
flickering. It is doable - devs are just to lazy and the talent/effort unfortunately isn\'t there. For every game on PS2 that can be blamed of having aliasing - I could name you a game that looks better with next to no aliasing in it. Blaming Sony at this point is  really not fair.

[Bobs_Hardware]

Paul is just on an anti-Sony crusade is all

Originally posted by seven
Sony\'s fault? Then, can we also blame Microsoft aswell? You\'re judging the whole console and blaming Sony just because of games with aliasing problems which is actually the developers fault. Jak and Daxter has probably more polygons running smoothly at 60 fps than 99% other games of other consoles - yet it is one of the games that has almost no aliasing and no
flickering. It is doable - devs are just to lazy and the talent/effort unfortunately isn\'t there. For every game on PS2 that can be blamed of having aliasing - I could name you a game that looks better with next to no aliasing in it. Blaming Sony at this point is  really not fair.

True, though J+D could have used some better textures.  ya know a little bump mapping.

Originally posted by PahnCrD
True, though J+D could have used some better textures.  ya know a little bump mapping.

Jak&Daxter was my best gaming experience for this year. Its textures and lighting effects were great and i couldnt care less about poly bump mapping.

Or should every game look like Doom3 from now on? :rolleyes:

[nO-One]

Originally posted by mm
every game will have "jaggies"

i play at 8x FSAA on my PC sometimes, and jaggies are still apparant

you can add as much AA as you want, the higher the resolution the better. Since console cames are made at 640x480 there will always be jaggies.

True, though J+D could have used some better textures. ya know a little bump mapping.

better textures? I think you should go play the game again, as it certainly has some of the best texturing in a PS2 game so far. Don\'t dismiss this game just because it has the "cartoony" graphics. :rolleyes:

[Bobs_Hardware]

I think he\'s just been spoiled by Halo

And you will be pleased to know that J&D2 will feature bump-mapping

Yeah, I hope it does. Apperantly, the Jak and Daxter engine was already capable of doing bump-mapping but was not implemented because they didn\'t have the time to. If J&D2 will have it or not - this is my most anticipated game.

Seems to me that you havent played enoigh PC games. Even on a 800x600 resolution jaggies can be quite apparent and i didnt have to squirt my eyes to see it so far. I play Jedi knight2 in that resolution actually but i can always see jaggies. Only when i raise it to 1024x768 resolution or higher

If ur complaining about "jaggies" at 1024x768 on the PC, you shouldn\'t be playing games at all, but o/c your cpu, video card and benchmark ur PC till it burst or something.......can\'t believe people who waste time complaining about that kinda hi-res on a PC...time waster.

Like I said before I can live with jaggies...but not SHIMMERIES...sure PC,X-BOX,DC all have jaggies but the jaggies on those platform(especially the PC) are nothing like the SHIMMERIES you see on the PS2. Although some games have hide this problem very well, other titles like FFX is a huge pain in the neck...even lots of newer games still spot this problem..(like GRandia Extreme).

But I\'m not here to convince you people since your fanboys brains has already been fully anti-aliased to see any kind of jaggies/shimmeries/fault on the PS2.

I congratulate you.

[Bobs_Hardware]

wtf?

You\'ve turned into a psychopath!

Example of Borg Drone no.1 above.

But I\'m not here to convince you people since your fanboys brains has already been fully anti-aliased to see any kind of jaggies/shimmeries/fault on the PS2.

No one\'s argueing here that all PS2 games look perfect - you just can\'t go blaming Sony for something that\'s really not their fault.

Well, they could\'ve easily make some feature which was already so common to implement and already exist in previous gen of machine(N64, PC cards) for YEARS  already...EASIAR to implement with.

oH...i forgot to mentioned, the shimmeries are especially obvious when u run it on a low-res 29" TV compared to a hi-res 15" monitor...it just helps to magnify the problem.

Originally posted by Paul


If ur complaining about "jaggies" at 1024x768 on the PC, you shouldn\'t be playing games at all, but o/c your cpu, video card and benchmark ur PC till it burst or something.......can\'t believe people who waste time complaining about that kinda hi-res on a PC...time waster.

Like I said before I can live with jaggies...but not SHIMMERIES...sure PC,X-BOX,DC all have jaggies but the jaggies on those platform(especially the PC) are nothing like the SHIMMERIES you see on the PS2. Although some games have hide this problem very well, other titles like FFX is a huge pain in the neck...even lots of newer games still spot this problem..(like GRandia Extreme).

But I\'m not here to convince you people since your fanboys brains has already been fully anti-aliased to see any kind of jaggies/shimmeries/fault on the PS2.

I congratulate you.

I didnt complain about jaggies, i only said that they are THERE wether we like it or not. And as i mentioned earlier, i have no problem with jaggies. And as i also mentioned earlier, i too think that shimmeries are a pain.

But both jaggies and shimmeries are not in EVERY PS2 game out there and its an obstacle than can be overcomed as it has been proven many times already.

So if you dont like or dont want to accept that fact, you can take your fully aliased brain and go somewhere else. TXB forums maybe??

Dissmised

[Bobs_Hardware]

Originally posted by Paul
Example of Borg Drone no.1 above.

You\'re a moron.  I have never once expressed any sort of fanboyism regarding to something because it\'s a Sony product.  You however HAVE.  It\'s made by Sony, all of a sudden  you hate it and you hate Sony.  The shimmering is annoying.. sure.. but I sure as shit never even notice it while I\'m in the heat of a game.  Pompous ass.