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« on: August 16, 2002, 02:15:45 PM »
This is tooo wrong for sooo many reasons.


Panel agrees on paternity measure
By Michael Gardner
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE

SACRAMENTO — Nick Napoli pays $180 a month in child support for a boy who is not his son.
The biological father “gets all of the love. I get the bill,” said Napoli of Cloverdale. Napoli and hundreds of others are trapped in an unyielding legal system that forces them to pay child support even when the biological father steps forward, or is identified later through DNA testing.

Lawmakers, trapped in a clash between men\'s rights and the desire to protect children, are moving to strike a balance in such contested paternity cases. The Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday approved a legislative compromise that would allow men to challenge child-support orders in limited circumstances. In all cases, they must be armed with DNA tests that prove they did not father the child.

Assemblyman Rod Wright, a Los Angeles Democrat carrying the measure, called it a “Miranda rights” for unsuspecting men. “Why should someone be forced to pay for a child who\'s not theirs?” Wright said.
But the issue is not that clear-cut, according to child-rights advocate Lupe Alonzo, who has participated in negotiations on the bill for the Center for Public Interest Law of San Diego. “You\'ve got to think of the child\'s interests,” Alonzo said.

Once broadly written to offer a range of new rights for men to challenge paternity, the measure has been narrowed to apply only in those cases of court-ordered “default judgments.” Those cases occur when the alleged father does not appear in court. Some men do not receive notices to appear because state law permits summonses to be delivered to a job site where they may no longer work or to their last-known home address.

Under existing law, default judgments stand — even when DNA tests prove someone else is the father. Under the compromise, AB 2240 would allow men to challenge default orders if DNA evidence proves they are not the father. Regardless, men would still have to pay child support if the child had lived in the home or a familial bond was established. The bill would not provide all men with another day in court. For example, in divorce cases, husbands would still be responsible for child support even if it\'s later proved that the child was conceived in an extramarital affair.

“Biology does not make a father. . . . In the child\'s eyes, you are the father,” Alonzo said.

A compromise
Wright was clearly unhappy with being forced to cut a deal, particularly after the broader version had sailed off the Assembly floor on a 57-3 vote. But, he said, it was either accept the offer or lose the bill. Wright dismissed the significance of bonds that may develop between the nonbiological parents and children, Wright said. “They just write checks,” Wright said of most men who are forced to pay.

Valerie Ackerman, an attorney with the National Center for Youth Law, remains opposed to the bill.
“The front end of paternity establishment has to be fixed,” she said. At a minimum, the system of notifying alleged fathers of their rights and responsibilities needs to be improved, she said. However, Ackerman said, there are some safeguards in existing law. Men have six months from the time they learn they have been named as the fathers to mount a challenge, she said.

Nonbiological dad
Despite its limited reach, Bert Riddick embraces the amended legislation. The Carson resident pays $1,400 a month to support a child he has never met and “DNA has proven he is not mine.”

“My family is ruined by something I had nothing to do with,” Riddick said.

Difference of opinion
Sen. Sheila Kuehl, a former family law attorney who voted against the bill, said it\'s vital to a child\'s interest to have a father figure in his or her life. “What makes a father? This bill says the donation of genetic material makes a father. I don\'t agree,” said Kuehl, D-Santa Monica. But a dozen or so men who have regularly lobbied for the bill this year say in many cases they never had a chance to form a relationship. More importantly, as Riddick asked, “What about my own children? What about their interests?”
Publish Date:08/14/02

http://www.dailybreeze.com/content/bln/nmppaternty14.html
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2002, 02:23:07 PM »
We Americans have the most freedom in the world.  We can pray to any god(s) we want or not even believe in religion.  You can grow up to be anything you want to, you can have as many kids you want, you can curse, and talk against the government.  Do that in 50% of all the other countries around the world and you\'d be dead.  Why should we be making such a deal over $180 a month. Be thankful that this is a big issue to us and not food shortages or suicide bombings everyday.

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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2002, 02:32:42 PM »
So basically you are saying I can take you to court and get you to make my car payments..even though you never drive it..but b/c I gave you a ride once?
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2002, 02:35:23 PM »
Ummm... where did you get that?  I\'m saying to be thankful this is a big problem cuz its so small.  Sure I\'d be pissed, but I wouldn\'t be standing next to a guy with dynamite on him.

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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2002, 02:36:50 PM »
Vivi, that was one of the dumbest statements in recent forum history.

No one should have to pay for someone elses child, when it is proven that someone else is the biological father.

The only reason you have this all-american philosphy is because you, are not paying for  someone\'s child. You are not working hard, jsut for part of your check can be taken out, for a child that is not even yours - while the father of that child is working and keeping every dime .

When you actually mature and find yourself in a similiar situation, you\'re tune will change. That I gurantee.

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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2002, 02:38:22 PM »
I got that from this.
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Why should we be making such a deal over $180 a month.


What ever things that dont happen here in no way make it right. We adjust our lives accordingly. We dont have to worry about suicide bombers on a daily basis, so therefore..suicide bombers are not a priority.
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2002, 02:39:35 PM »
Tell me how many people are in this situation.

and LIC stfu.  I don\'t care if you\'re a moderator or not nobody was being offensive till you posted in here.

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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2002, 02:43:41 PM »
whether you found his comments offensive are one thing..but he wasnt being offensive...

anywho..quite a few ppl are in that situation. go talk to some californian men. Thats where most of the non-biological dads paying for kids has come from.
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2002, 02:47:25 PM »
Nothing I said was offensive. It was true. You\'re young and you\'ve displayed it countless times, with your opinions on cops, races and now this . It is a naive , young idea on life. All I   said, is when you mature , you will maybe realize that these things are bigger situations and more important than what you downplay them as.


I would imagine a lot of people are in this situation. Take all the people who pay child support and then find out the kids are not theirs. Should they continue to pay? Hell no! If anything - they should get back paid for what money was taken from them.

As for the moderator comment - I don\'t ask for \'special respect\' because I\'m a mod. I don\'t even mod this forum. So, that is not a issue.

You\'re young and naive. Nothing wrong with that, per say. Just a fact.

*shrugs*

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2002, 04:16:42 PM »
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Vivi, that was one of the dumbest statements in recent forum history.



What? So that\'s a compliment?

We all have our opinions on things LIC.  What does age have anything to do with opinions?  If I hadn\'t stated my age you wouldn\'t be treating me as a intellegent person, but I did and I\'m just a kid.  Who\'s the naive one?  Let\'s talk about the cop arguement.  Do you think all cops are bad?  Well if you hate cops you probably do.  Think about the cops and firefighters that died trying to save people when the WTC fell.  I bet they were actually beating people over the head with flashlights.  As for race\'s I take them lightly.  When someone calls me a cracker I don\'t care, why do people freak out when they hear the word chink, or nigger, or towel head?  That\'s my view on it.  If you don\'t want racism to be a issue than don\'t MAKE those words an issue.  Sure in the past I did make some racist comments but I still stick by most of them.  Like BET, wtf is that?  Why isn\'t there a mexican history month or Asian?  Because the majority of people are hypocitical about races.  People here called me a racist person because I said most blacks I hate, but when you go deeper into the subject you find that most of them are the racist ones.  When you hear some black person say "why isn\'t there a black president?" they are the racist ones.  If skin tone isn\'t judgmental then why should they care if there isn\'t any black presidents.  Same thing goes for BET.  If they don\'t want to be treated for the color of their skin they shouldn\'t have a whole month dedicated to their history, or channels with not one other race on it.  And all of these rap videos with black people being the only people on it, do you really think it\'s a coincidence? I think not.


I am definately not the naive one.  I see the world totally for what it is, despite my age.

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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2002, 05:18:26 PM »
What does age have to do with your opinion?  Ummmm, everything.  

And the whole idea that there is bigger problems in life so who cares is plain idiotic.  180$ gone each month for doing nothing wrong what so ever.  Next people will be thrown in jail for shopping at a store when its robbed or what not.  Or even better, maybe people will be charged for murder because they legally sell a gun to someone that shoots someone. :rolleyes:
« Last Edit: August 16, 2002, 05:23:42 PM by Bozco »

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2002, 05:30:34 PM »
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What does age have to do with your opinion?  Ummmm, everything.  

And the whole idea that there is bigger problems in life so who cares is plain idiotic.  180$ gone each month for doing nothing wrong what so ever.  Next people will be thrown in jail for shopping at a store when its robbed or what not.  Or even better, maybe people will be charged for murder because they legally sell a gun to someone that shoots someone. :rolleyes:


Where are your facts about age having to do with my opinion.  It\'s funny you didn\'t back it up with anything.  You\'re one year older than me, does that mean you\'re smarter?  I shouldn\'t be questioning such a wise old man.

Did I say who cares? NO!  Did I say it was ok? NO!  I don\'t think its ok.  All I said was its a good thing that this is the biggest problem.


Your whole post is illogical.

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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2002, 05:37:56 PM »
I didn\'t need to back it up, its obvious.  The saying is "one day older, one day wiser".  And why are you so defensive, you get your panties in a twist over the stupidest things.

And how is my post illogical?  They are in trouble for doing absolutely nothing wrong, same as in the analogies.

And nobody said it was the biggest problem, god only knows where you got that from.  It\'s just a huge flaw in our legal system, thats all.

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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2002, 05:43:36 PM »
I\'m getting so defensive cuz people are putting words in my mouth and it really pisses me off. And I didn\'t really mean it was the biggest problem, just an expression.

Your post was illogical because you turned it into "Next people will be thrown in jail for shopping at a store when its robbed or what not. Or even better, maybe people will be charged for murder because they legally sell a gun to someone that shoots someone. :rolleyes: "


Like thats really going to happen? Come on.

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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2002, 05:45:17 PM »
Haha, you only completely understood my point.  This is equally upsurd.

 

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