9/11/01 Forum Topics...

I don\'t think it should be a holiday, but to say the human life in the towers were of less importance then the men who died protecting us is a little off base. I don\'t even see why there even has to be a comparison.

Ace

Originally posted by Ace
I don\'t think it should be a holiday, but to say the human life in the towers were of less importance then the men who died protecting us is a little off base. I don\'t even see why there even has to be a comparison.

Ace

I can agree with what you are saying, but I think what he may have meant was that they were the better people, not necessarily the more important dead people.

I\'m not saying the marines and aviators who died at Pearl Harbor were better people. They DID however, act as true patriots and volunarily signed their lives away to the US military in defense of this country. If anyone should be called a patriot, or day I say even Hero, on 9/11.. it would be the firemen, police men, port authority, and the souls of flight 93 who fought against the terrorists knowing full well they could die. That\'s only a small percentage of the people who died on 9/11 tho, whereas EVERYONE at Pearl Harbor who died was a volutary officer in the military at a time when war was inevitable.

Also, what\'s this about Pearl Harbor being a "way out there base"? Sure they\'re not part of the mainland.. but they are a state are they not? And it\'s not like Pearl Harbor was some small, insignificant base. That was our ENTIRE PACIFIC FLEET and most of PACIFIC AIRFORCE that got destroyed.. sans Aircraft carriers and subs which were out on routine patrols at the time. It was a HUGE base, and our only threshold into the pacific should the Japaneese draw us into the war there.

Don\'t, for christs sake, don\'t try to make it look insignificant.

OK, I agree that we throw around the hero word way too much. I agree that people who went to work that day in the WTC were not heroes, but neither were they trying to be.

I just don\'t see the need for all the anger towards those who have a heavy heart today.

Ace

It\'s not anger for those who have a heavy heart, as mine is too. It\'s anger against people who are using that grief as leverage to either perpetuate a war against whoever we feel like bombing today, or sell a product. You\'re simply misunderstanding where we\'re comming from.

Gov\'t and Corperations cannot allow our wounds to heal, because as long as we remember.. we\'re angry. As long as we\'re angry.. we\'re motivated. And as long as we\'re motivated.. we\'re far more apt to follow a path which they have carefully laid out for us to further their own ends.

It makes me feel manipulated, like a cow being led to the slaughter. It\'s something I will not concent to, and will speak against at EVERY oppertunity I have.

We should be angry.

You guys must spend a lot of time looking to the sky for black helicopters.

Ace

"Funny" thing is the USA is the only country in the world that has been convicted of International Terrorism. (Nicaragua 1980ies)

Thought you\'d like to know.

You guys must spend a lot of time looking to the sky for black helicopters. - Ace

If you\'re insinuating that I\'m a conspiracists who spend their lives completely paranoid, you\'re wrong. However, I can\'t see how in this age of spyware on your computer and brainwashing rhetoric spewd by our gov\'t on TV, that you can deny this is what\'s happening. This has been been going on for YEARS. It reminds me of a commercial I saw on PBS durring a documentary. I think it was Kennedy against whoever else was running for President... and this other guy put out a particularly striking campaign ad. It was black & white and showed a lil girl picking a daisy on a grassy field.. and in the distance before her you saw a flash and a mushroom cloud rise slowly before her. The flower fell to the ground and the screen turned white, with a message to vote for so-an-so. It was meant to play off of the publics fears, basically insinuating that Kennedy would lead this country to Nuclear War.. which was a powerful incentive to vote for the other guy.

This is the exact same thing. They\'re playing up our sence of fear, grief, and anger by shoving 9/11 in our faces 24/7 and then saying we should support our president in whatever he undertakes durring this time of "war" to allow him the ability to get things done instead of deadlocking congress in debate while the next attack is planned.

It\'s BS, plain and simple. And where\'s the media\'s incentive? Advertising dollars.. many of which are using 9/11 in direct or subtle ways in order to get you to buy a product. It\'s a cycle of rhetoric meant to keep people angry, ignorant, and shelling out cash.

I couldnt have said it better. Hats off to you sonyfan!!

I\'m not so easily swayed by what is on TV.

Are you actually watching TV? The press, if anything, is feeding the public just the opposite. They are not using their power to help Bush.

Ace

Originally posted by Ace
I\'m not so easily swayed by what is on TV.

Are you actually watching TV? The press, if anything, is feeding the public just the opposite. They are not using their power to help Bush.

Ace

Are you kidding? They are doing it, just not as noticably.

I will certainly make it clear when I am kidding.

Ace

Originally posted by Ace
We should be angry.

You guys must spend a lot of time looking to the sky for black helicopters.

Ace

It seems Ace and I are the only two moderates in this thread.  Your comment about black helicopters...

Come on guys put the conspiracy theories to rest.  It is the right of the US to hunt these terrorists down.  At the time we went into Afghanistan Bin Laden was there - it was justified.  

This generation does have a lot of issues.  The generation of our grandparents was the "greatest generation".  They answered the call without hesitation.  I would hate to see what would happen if this generation was put in that situation.  

As far as Remeberance services go.  To each their own.  I didn\'t go to the one our local goverment had this morning, but that doesn\'t mean I wasn\'t their emotionally.  

It really makes me sick that some on this board are insinuating that what the terrorists did was justified due to American foreign policy.

Thanks GigaShadow! I feel like I am the only one here.

Why don\'t some of you just say what you want to say . . . We deserved to be hit. It was our fault.

Ace

It really makes me sick that some on this board are insinuating that what the terrorists did was justified due to American foreign policy.

It just makes me sick that some on this board are complete fools.