Politically Incorrect views on 9/11

Argh, I hate to see this excellent thread go off course, but it tends to happen with heated topics like racism and religion.  Anyway, I applaud you Gohan, for having the guts to start a thread like this.  I think everyone has had politically incorrect thoughts about 9/11, but as "touchy" as the subject is, no one has really said anything.  I have had one incorrect thought for awhile now:  the death toll.  All the victims, and especially the victims\' families and loved ones have my deepest sympathies, but I remember hearing that something like 20,000 people worked in the WTC.  When they were estimating the toll at 2-3k, I was kind of, well...disappointed.  I thought tens of thousands were killed.  This does NOT mean I WISH that many were killed.  It was just a thought I\'ve had.  Sue me.

Miscellaneous complaints about 9/11:
-People stopped sending money to local charities and non-profits, and sent to the 9/11 fund instead.  Trust me, 9/11 has had/is going to have plenty of funding.  The non-profit adoption (older kids, not infants) agency I work for just laid off more than half of their staff due to lack of funding.  We no longer have an adoption program for older/hard to adopt kids.  It is like this everywhere.
-Dammit, I hate the dumbasses who just now (9/11/01)decide to be patriotic, but let their flags sit outside in the dark and rain, and have a few red, white, and blue threads left on their car antenna.
-Fuggin\' media.  9/11 has been more profitable for them than the superbowl.  Oh, let me guess, they\'re donating their profits to the 9/11 fund.  Insert rolleyes here.
-Firefighters are brave and invaluable people, no doubt about it.  But does every firefighter in america deserve a moment of silence, or eyes dropping solemnly to the floor when they announce their profession?
-I\'m gonna get it for this one, but...I hope everyone saw what a nation of cowards we are.  3 planes hi-jacked successfully by freakin\' utility knives.  The people who fought back on the Pennsylvania flight are true heroes.

Well, I hope I didn\'t make any enemies with this post.  I realize I would probably have a different perspective if a loved one died in the attacks.

Once again, I have to agree with sara. You have mentioned alot that has bugged me since then..even down to the death thing. I cant say Im happy it was "only 2-3k, since that is still alot. I guess I just imagined it would be so much higher since I believe a total of 50k or so ppl worked in both towers. Plus various visitors..etc.

Originally posted by Sara

-Dammit, I hate the dumbasses who just now (9/11/01)decide to be patriotic, but let their flags sit outside in the dark and rain, and have a few red, white, and blue threads left on their car antenna.

It does seem rather stupid for people to just do this now but it takes something like this to really open peoples eyes on things.

-I\'m gonna get it for this one, but...I hope everyone saw what a nation of cowards we are.  3 planes hi-jacked successfully by freakin\' utility knives.  The people who fought back on the Pennsylvania flight are true heroes.

I agree.  How the hell did they take over a plane full of people with box cutters?

Anyone remember maybe a week or two ago when I made the comment about "pansy americans", well that was a big reason.

-I\'m gonna get it for this one, but...I hope everyone saw what a nation of cowards we are. 3 planes hi-jacked successfully by freakin\' utility knives. The people who fought back on the Pennsylvania flight are true heroes.

We\'re cowards?  I might agree with that comment more if you were talking about the years before 9/11, but not at all when you say we\'re cowards because of some of the things that happened on that day.  Have you considered how many people alone not only risked their lives to save others inside those two towers, but also how many people sacrificed their own lives when helping those that were in need?  I can\'t even begin to imagine the amount of courage that was in the hearts of the firemen, police, rescue workers, and especially the victims...

Yeah, three of the four planes that had been hijacked were flown into the WTC and Pentagon, but how do you know that all the people on those flights were -- from beginning to end -- cowering in fear without ever trying to neutralize the terrorists (read:  true cowards) onboard?  We\'ll never know the level of bravery that existed inside those planes, but I find it insulting that you\'d write off our country as a bunch of cowards when your reasoning is not backed by anything you can really consider "fact."

Or maybe I misunderstood your statement.

*yawn*

everything happens for a reason

cause and effect

182ways shes basically saying that all those people on the planes who just let the plane hit the towers aren\'t heroes because they died.

Well, I\'d agree with that to an extent, Bozco.  Those that stood back without hope and no intentions of trying to take down the terrorists should be remembered, not praised as heroes.  The only problem is that nobody really knows who did what on those planes.

But even if nothing had been done on either of the flights that hit the buildings, it\'s no reason to consider our country as cowardly.  In my mind, we\'ve been anything but cowards since that day.

Yea, I don\'t agree with how they worded it.

Originally posted by 182Ways
We\'re cowards?  I might agree with that comment more if you were talking about the years before 9/11, but not at all when you say we\'re cowards because of some of the things that happened on that day.

My comment definitely includes pre-9/11.  The loss of life due to (in part) a dozen or so box cutters just brought it to everyone\'s attention, or should have.  I am however, confident that no one will ever be able to take over a plane with 1-2" blades on a U.S. flight again.

It\'s just part of my standard rant that Americans are afraid to defend themselves, and that our own government discourages us from doing so with gun control BS, lawsuits against victims of crime, etc.  

p.s. - If anyone desires to debate about gun conrol, please start a new thread and keep this one on topic.

Originally posted by Sara


It\'s just part of my standard rant that Americans are afraid to defend themselves, and that our own government discourages us from doing so with gun control BS, lawsuits against victims of crime, etc.  

I agree, just recently some home owner was charged with manslaughter after stabbing the buglar, he is now facing a possible life sentence.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-411040,00.html/

sad stuff when you cant even defend your home and possible loved ones.

Bloody hell, I missed the cop debate.  Damnit, just because I had to go help some orphans I missed a great debate.  Well that\'s the last time I help anyone.

By the way folks... Because of my military connections and various military brat friends around the world, let me inform you that there is an extremely large chance that the Pennsylvania flight was shot down by a fighter pilot. The "hero" story of taking it down themselves was a mere cover up so people can have something to feel good about...

Just wanted to tell you...

Do you guys think that the firefighters would have gone into the building if they knew it was about to collapse? I\'m not saying they wouldn\'t have its just that people were so quick to canonize them.

Am I the only one who wishes they could have been in NY to see it all in person? To see the people jumping and the buildings actually collapse must have been an experience.

I think I just want something to break the monotony of every day life. Life is so freaking boring school/sleep/party/repeat. Gawd will they just freaking draft me already!!!! The apocalypse is taking way to long to get here, Let\'s Roll!!!

I was thinking that with 20 years of planning, they could have trained more people to fly, taken larger jets, nailed far bigger targets, and made all of America look like a warzone in the span of about 20 minutes.  With 20 years of planning, I could have done far worse without a doubt including bombs on city buses planted in nearly every major city, suit case bombs tossed into trash cans, and suicide bombings into crowded fast food establishments.  You think 9/11 was bad?  Just imagine if the Terrorists were actually seriously ambitious.