Svideo vs. Component

I\'ve never tried component but I have tried RGB and S-video and there\'s a world of difference between those two. RGB is so much better, I don\'t think the picture could get any sharper and cleaner than that.

First time I tried RGB was with Shenmue, and it actually looked like a different game, couldn\'t believe how good it looked in RGB glory.

So has anyone tried to hook their PS2 to theri monitors yet?

I might want to try to see those games that support progressive scan.

What do you call those cables again? Is it easily available? Any online shops u know?

I have that Redant adapter that let\'s you hook the PS2 up to a VGA monitor.  It looks like crap, but it works.  I didn\'t buy it to make the graphics pop-up, but just for the sake of convenience, playing Tekken on the monitor while I watch Conan or Whose Line is it Anyway.

It\'s not a true VGA signal but it\'s just a line doubler converting 15.75kHz interlaced to a fakey 31.5kHz progressive.  I think the real deal is only available if you purchase the full Linux kit.

I think I saw a site somewhere that described how you could make your own VGA cable for PS2.

Anyways Tekken4 can be played on a monitor if you got the VGA cable.
I think your monitor must support Sync-On-Green (SOG) also.

[Paul2]

Originally posted by THX
So what do you think will be the first HD-DVD format?  You think it will be 50gig MPEG-4 Blu-ray or the drummed up version of MPEG-2 that will just be a bigger sized disc allowing more data of the same ol format to be stored (poop).

I think THX major in sound, so THX knows more stuff in sound than I do.  Anyway, I think you got messed up with HD-DVD format.  You ask if it\'s 50 gig MPEG-4 blue ray thing...Let me clear up the confusion.

1) MPEG-2 compress less than MPEG-4, so MPEG-2 give much better picture quality.  HDTV tuner highest resolution is in MPEG-2 with 19.4 megabits per second.  DVD highest video transfer is 8 mbits per second.  MPEG-4 is compress more and it\'s ideal for internet and that\'s why sony is thinking of streamind HD video in broadband with MPEG-4 instead of MPEG-2.  Just because MPEG-4 number is bigger, doesn\'t mean it\'s better.

2)  I think next generation HD-DVD format will be a 27 gigabytes MPEG-2 compression.  If dual layer, it will be a total of 50 gigabytes.  4 gbytes was sacrifice for changing layer and slightly larger pits...you\'re correct about blue ray laser thingy.  Panasonic, show a prototype of this format somewhere in Spring of this year.  If you want the site.  I will post it later.

3) some companies go backward with next generation HD-dvd format.  Those companies doesn\'t have the money or something so they will still use the current infrared red laser (one that was in the current dvd player we are using) and the current dvd 4.7 gigabytes with MPEG-4 compression for high definition.  Think of it as SVCD vs. DVD quality.

Hope I clear up the confusion between Mpeg-2 and Mpeg-4.

[Paul2]

here is the site if you are interested (gotta love panasonic and their motto, just slightly ahead of time).

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hot_topics/articledisplay.asp?ArticleID=111

here are some good info quotes

Because every new format seems to set off a format war, we were a little surprised when nine major electronics manufacturers announced that they actually agreed on what the next-generation recordable optical-disc format should be. Christened the Blu-ray Disc, the new blue-laser-based format provides for 27 gigabytes (GB) of data on a single side, which is enough for 13 hours of standard-definition video or 2 hours of HDTV; the standard also calls for dual-layer, 50-GB discs. Although prototype discs were displayed in protective caddies, as shown at left, the final plan might call for bare discs.

The Blu-ray system’s high-speed data-transfer rate (36 megabits per second) will allow it to record and simultaneously play back prerecorded high-definition video. Licensing for the format is scheduled to start this spring, but recorders aren’t expected to make it to market for as long as five years. Although each Blu-ray disc will contain a unique ID to be used for copyright protection, it’s not clear whether Hollywood studios will line up behind the format.

here is another one:
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hot_topics/articledisplay.asp?ArticleID=109

I know this is an old thread, but I just got a new TV. Is there a cable to hook up my PS2 to the YPbPr inputs? How would I hook up my stereo reciever with the component set?

Hah, while you\'re at it I\'ll throw Paul\'s quotes back at him.

Originally posted by Paul2
1) MPEG-2 compress less than MPEG-4, so MPEG-2 give much better picture quality.  HDTV tuner highest resolution is in MPEG-2 with 19.4 megabits per second.  DVD highest video transfer is 8 mbits per second.  MPEG-4 is compress more and it\'s ideal for internet and that\'s why sony is thinking of streamind HD video in broadband with MPEG-4 instead of MPEG-2.  Just because MPEG-4 number is bigger, doesn\'t mean it\'s better.

Negative.  Mpeg-4 > Mpeg-2.  Mpeg4 variants can achieve the same quality as mpeg2 at half the bitrate, which is saying something.  The key thought here is it doesn\'t do more compression, but *better* compression.  Mpeg-2 does block encoding which is about 2 decades old.  Everything now is either Wavelet or Corona (such as MS\'s WM9).

2)  I think next generation HD-DVD format will be a 27 gigabytes MPEG-2 compression.  If dual layer, it will be a total of 50 gigabytes.  4 gbytes was sacrifice for changing layer and slightly larger pits...you\'re correct about blue ray laser thingy.  Panasonic, show a prototype of this format somewhere in Spring of this year.  If you want the site.  I will post it later.

You were actually pretty close here, though HD-DVD won\'t be going this route but Sony\'s Blu-ray is.  Only reason they chose to stick with mpeg-2 is for recoding functions since HDTV is unfortunately sticking with that wasteful codec.  Satellite provider VOOM in the USA however is streaming out Mpeg-4 material, allowing them to broadcast 30 HD channels, no one else does this.

3) some companies go backward with next generation HD-dvd format.  Those companies doesn\'t have the money or something so they will still use the current infrared red laser (one that was in the current dvd player we are using) and the current dvd 4.7 gigabytes with MPEG-4 compression for high definition.  Think of it as SVCD vs. DVD quality.

This was scaring us nerds for a while but it never happened.  Both camps are going blue laser.

Stapler- There are lots of Component PS2 cables that output stereo analog as well too. (example).  If your receiver has an optical input you can use the Toslink jack on the back for a pure digital connection to your receiver.

[Paul2]

THX,

that was over a year and a half ago.  Bring back old topic...hmm...

That time i thought Mpeg-2  is better than Mpeg-4.  But it seems like Mpeg-4 is a better codec.

But overall from some tests:

WM9 > MPEG4 > MPEG-2 > MPEG-1

and WM9 is comparable to DiVX...
but I prefer WM9 over DIVX because in some tests, the video quality of WM9 looks better than DIVX.

There, I think Voom is using WM9 instead of MPEG-4 like you said...hahaha.

[Paul2]

I would like to correct something about YUV (component video) versus RGB.

As videoholic posted in late 2002, he was right about Component equal RGB.

I told him not quite because component video is 4:2:2 YUV sampling.  But I find out component can go full bandwidth.
It can do 4:3:3 YUV sampling and 4:4:4 Y:U:V sampling.

The 4:4:4 YUV sampling equal the color bandwidth of 8:8:8 bits RGB.

So, if you are playing ps2, using component video cable should give you the quality of RGB.  Also, but PS2 MPEG-2 video like full motion video CG, is 4:2:0.  I think, the 4:2:0 will upconvert to 4:4:4 or maybe 4:2:2, either is fine.  but doesn\'t mean it will get the color bandwidth of 4:4:4, its just that it upconvert it so we can watch it.  Unfortunatley, Playstation 2 doesn\'t upconvert 4:2:0 nicely and you may get color red and blue smear also known as chroma bugs.  But at the ps2 price point and it was first made in year 2000, this a pretty decent video quality as it is.

I actually didn\'t bring the topic back up (that was stap), just saw your post and my boredom took over.  :crap:  Sorry, as Smokey would say, "Why you bringin up up old sh*t?"

There\'s a debate of WM9 vs mpeg-4 (and probably always will be).  They each have their pros and cons, I like how Xvid is more open source and you can easily plug it in to editing programs such as Vdub or even Premiere.

I just did a search and it seems that Voom is indeed making the switch to WM9, but it will take some time for them to upgrade all their hardware.  I\'m thinking it will also mean new cable boxes to all users.  I was wrong about them streaming out mpeg-4 now, it\'s still just mpeg-2.  They\'re saying around or over 60 HD channels with WM9. :eek:

[Paul2]

Haha (sorry couldn\'t help laughing at you),

So, I am right about Voom going to use WM9.

Again, WM9 is way greater than MPEG-4.

it been tested before, from some tests Joe Kane once did, he use MPEG-2 and WM9 to compressed  a high definition video of a rose.

On MPEG-2, the rose petals blooms into a  full blown rose.  As the rose bloom, the MPEG-2 artififacts are very noticable.  The red artifacts are there.  It seem like the video is running at 24 Mbits per second.

On Window Media 9, the rose petals blooms with no noticable color artifacts.  Which mean WM9 is a way better compressor than MPEG-2 and compress and handle fast motion really well.  As good as DiVX, and in some cases better.  And I believe the bitrate is only about 9.6 Mbits of video.

Look it this way, 9.6 Mbits WM9 high def outperform 24 Mbits (coudl be 28 Mbits) of MPEG-2.  And both are High definition.

Again, many experts had told me how great WM9 are.  they say is a very aggresive compressor and very flexible too.  It could be compress as a lossless to lossy, but it requires a lot of CPU power to do that.

So again,
WM9 > MPEG-4
another test was shown that MPEG-4 is very bad and pale in comparison to WM9.  Even DiVX outpeform MPEG-4 easily.  So, it seems like only DiVx is a very close competitor to WM9.

Cant be bothered reading the thread.

RGB is better then both component or svideo, except RGB doesn\'t support progressive scan.

I find RGB gives much sharper picture over component and the colours are better.

[Paul2]

Videoholic once said Component give the same picture quality as RGB.
He is pretty much correct about it.

RGB = Component Video if its output as 4:4:4 YUV sampling.  In other word, each sampling equal 2 bits. 4 + 4 + 4 = 12 x 2 = 24 bits.
24 Bits RGB (8 bits each) pretty have the same color bandwidth as 4:4:4 YUV sampling.

The only way YUV isn\'t as good as RGB if its output less than 4:4:4.  Say 4:3:3 or 4:2:2, or 4:1:1....

But my guess the sony ps2 component video is outputting 4:4:4 YUV sampling for videogames.

Also Racer, you are wrong about RGB doesn\'t support Progressive scan because its does.  Computer monitors uses RGB and look at it, progressive scan but scan at higher Hz than HDTV, mine is running at 75 Hz, although I could go to 85 Hz or higher...
all non interlaced, aka progressive...

I always thought RGB and Component were the same thing.  I have my ps2 hooked up through a component cable (Red, Green, Blue), I figured RGB was just an abbreviation.

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