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Offline jiggs
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« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2002, 01:54:32 AM »
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more gameplay?

define more gameplay


I just wanted to comment on your query mm. To me gamplay is what I got in spades with GTA3 no game of yesteryear came come close to the variety featured in that game. Of course I can see yor point aswell.


For example before Tomb Raider and FF7 I never played any type of games but sports titles they were the only games that really held my intrest because the outcome was never the same and they were multiplayer. Yes I would love to see a remake of Starflight (genesis) Dragon Force (saturn) but remakes to me can never capture the flavor of the original.

 RE on the Cube is a piece of work but it has not held me like the first. To me gameplay has improved with all the options and longevity of some games now.

 With JK2 I am on my third trip through with different charaters and villians not to mention multiplayer. I find some of those great games really had no competition and stood tall over all other offerings of the time which allowed you to focus on one game at a time.

 We played Pong for 8hrs straight and it was simple but too much fun.  I equate it to the time there was no cable TV and you had to watch Get Smart and The original Batman great shows then but you had nothing else to chose from. We can disagree and I can respect your feelings.

 Games were more fun then because a lot of it was still new to us and was novel. Whats out there now is overwhelming which makes it easy to put a game down quickly and move on to the next one. Its just plain over kill.
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« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2002, 02:32:35 AM »
jiggs, i refure to read anything you write unless you learn to hit
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« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2002, 06:07:25 AM »
Well I don\'t think the gaming industry is getting worst. And I surely would take my ps2 and xbox over any 10 year old piece of crap system from the past.
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« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2002, 06:26:20 AM »
Like I said before, I think today\'s games are as enjoyable as any from previous generations, but there is a difference in re-playability. SonyFan is absolutely right about simplicity being a factor.

When a game like Super Mario Bros. first came out, you could finish the entire game in one sitting (making it more simple), but you still had to play it over and over to get good enough to get all of the way through. In other words, you had to "master" the game, and since you couldn\'t save your progress in a game like that, you had to increase your skill at playing to get to the end with the limited number of lives and continues available. Mastering the game gave a sense of accomplishment that could be felt over and over by continually beating the game again and again in a fairly short time period, and it was fun to be good at the game.

This is why fighting games are still so addictive to so many people. When you\'ve played enough to master a character\'s abilities, its fun to play again and again.

In today\'s games with much deeper stories, you may master a set of moves, but once you get past a certain part of the game, there isn\'t much to "master" in each particular section of the game, and once you finish a game that takes 10-40 hours to finish, it\'s not as easy to access the sense of accomplishment that comes from finishing a shorter game like the first couple of Contra games, which had to be finished in a single sitting.

There will always be exceptions, and not everyone will feel the same about what kind of games they like to replay, but this is basically why I find as much or more depth story wise, but not nearly as much replayability in today\'s games.

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« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2002, 10:49:19 AM »
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jiggs, i refure to read anything you write unless you learn to hit
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Ok. Should have asked you what exactly you ment the first time. Im no writer like a lot of you.  Just a key pusher here.

Did not realize it was a problem.
No one had complained to me before.

But if thats the case I got no problems with that.
Perhaps I am too old to know it was annoying and never wrote too many long responses.

I am sorry if thats the case.
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« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2002, 11:01:45 AM »
i sense a large generation gap in the members here
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« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2002, 10:25:15 AM »
Take any 2-D game from the "glory days"...

Then take its 3-D update/sequel...

Which one would you rather play?
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« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2002, 10:56:48 AM »
2-D baby!

w00t!

example #1  earthworm jim



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« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2002, 11:00:17 AM »
Example 2

Metal Gear

Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty

(no pics :D)

Yah, I know which one I\'d rather play :)

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« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2002, 11:05:46 AM »
actually, i wouldnt classify metal gear as an epic 2d title, not like zelda, mario, or DK for the NES

sonic the hedgehog is another fine example of 2D > 3D

regardless, we could throw up titles all day long, and the vast majority of winners would be the 2D versions
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« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2002, 11:10:52 AM »
Only because games such as Grand Theft Auto 3, Medal of Honor, Twisted Metal, Resident Evil, Silent Hill don\'t have 2D iterations.

Games have changed.  Whether you preferred playing 2D platformers over cinematic "scare the shit out of you" fests, or "blast the hell out of Insane Clowns"-action games is your choice.

But using the old 2D - 3D as a basis for arguement is flawed in the fact that many huge titles of today aren\'t using standards from that era.

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« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2002, 11:13:32 AM »
GTA 1 and 2 were 2D, but thats moot

look at the games that have converted from 2D to 3D
how many were worth it?  very, very few

3d games are using standards, thier based on 2d formulas
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« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2002, 11:23:49 AM »
The conversions werent good because they are based on the 2D formula.  The games that aren\'t based on it are the games of today that we love.  (like the ones I listed earlier and many many more)  There are lots of 3D games that are better than many and most 2D games.

Just like many 2D are better than 3D.  Thing is, along with the times, your standards have changed.  If a game was put out today with the following characteristics; Side scroller, jump button, shoot button, weird enemies, a few platforms, took 30 minutes to complete.  Would you buy it?  Would you think it\'s good?  10 years ago, that would have been the best game it the world.

I maintain my point, that games have maintained their level.

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« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2002, 11:28:49 AM »
I think Metal Gear Solid is one of the few games that didnt lose anything from the feel of its prequels despite being 3d.The controls,cameras and style remained intact.I admire Kojima for that.

But other games like Eartworm Jim3D lost whatever made the older ones fun.Controls change,looks change,camera change,style change etc.They are like completely different games with just the same name and main characters.The difference is like the Final Fantasy series compared to FF:TSW.

(THAT 3D EARTHWORM JIM IS A PURE PEICE OF TRASH!!WHAT HAPPENED TO THE COOL ANIMATION AND CONTROLS OF THE 2D VERSION?EVEN THE WORLDS WERE SHITY DESIGNED!!OR THAT STUPID CONTRA GAME THEY MADE FOR PSX1!!)
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« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2002, 07:59:28 AM »
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Yet  i have this strange feeling PS3 is going to be hell of a console, if they pull it through. Maybe it\'s just the hype in the back of my mind, but it seems to me sony is working 5x harder on PS3 then they did with PS2


Yes,  PS2 didnt quite make it as Sony\'s all in one entertainment system,  mainly because of it not being strong enough and taking forever for it to go online.

I am hoping that when PS3 is launched it will also be online ready that same day with a browser so we dont have to wait 3 years to surf the internet like PS2

I do agree Sony is working on the PS3 much harder,  with the last PS2 only bumping up the polygons by about 100x the PS3 may bump up the polygons 500-1000 times,  also it will be online ready with hopefully some sort of HDD available (I rather buy it seperate for several reasons)

To be honest I think Sony may have rushed a bit on the PS2

 

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