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Offline Ginko
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« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2002, 09:06:01 AM »
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But sales dont make a game better.. Even if Madden sold X million units I still hate it


And there you have it...I knew you would get it sooner or later.

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lol, so the 1st 10 million PS2\'s were sold just to be looked at?

THOSE games sold the units

ssx and timesplitters mediochre? wow, yer as jaded as i am, its frightening



Alright, you made me go here.  The Xbox had a very similar lineup that echoed just about every game the PS2 had at launch...where are the sales?  

Timesplitters and SSX were nothing special.  If summoner 2 is anything to go by, then I\'ll pass on the original for fear of puking at the horrible framerate, the god awful design, and uninspired story.

Come on mm, the DC had a lineup 10x better than the PS2 had.  Why didn\'t it sell?  The hype wasn\'t there...that\'s why.

People went in expecting something special...disappointment was everywhere.  You can\'t tell me you didn\'t fell a little disappointed that your DC was pulling better graphics out of its\' ass...or all the games you mentioned were slop jobs.  

Criticism was everywhere...did you just turn your back through the whole thing?

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Classify that as hype if you will, but I call it anticipation.


I will:)  

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Oh, and the launch games may be mediocre (to you) but they are enough to satiate anyones need for gaming while you are waiting for the titles you know you will love. Or you could just go play another system


Waiting for what?  FFX was okay...after I figured out the story I likened up to it a bit more, but it\'s not on my favorites list...  

YOu know what, I\'m not going to go any further...I see this heading towards a debate of personal taste.  Sorry, I\'ll pass.

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« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2002, 09:10:17 AM »
the DC failed cause the public didnt trust sega yet again, AND it lacked devs (EA), and focused on niche titles

sounds like the japanese xbox situation, no?

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« Reply #47 on: October 08, 2002, 09:12:35 AM »
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The first 10 million PS2s were sold on a decent selection of games and the absolute success of the PSX.
You guys in the Sony suxors camp can (and do) go on forever about hype but do you honestly think the majority of those consumers had any inkling of the Toy-Story-real-time-Star-Wars-rendering buzz of 1999 that you whiners keep blathering about? If so, what kept those \'cutting edge\' 10 mil informed gamers from seeing screen shots and clips of the actual games they would be playing in the foreseeable future? Oh I see, they and another 30 million have all been fooled into still believing photorealistic games on PS2 are  just around the corner :rolleyes:


Okay, you don\'t want to reason...then try this.

Take away PSX...just completely forget about it, and then imagine everyone else forgetting about it.  Pretend it didn\'t happen, and the PS2 was Sony\'s first console.

Would PS2 have been met with such success with that "decent" lineup of games?

Try arguing that.  It was hype guys...Sony built a whole train of it.  Deservedly...yes.  The PSX was a smash success.  

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Sales don\'t matter...

that is, unless you\'re a developer trying to turn a dollar


Oh sure, cut out everything else I have said in that regard.  Thanx.:rollreyes:

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« Reply #48 on: October 08, 2002, 09:15:22 AM »
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the DC failed cause the public didnt trust sega yet again, AND it lacked devs (EA), and focused on niche titles

sounds like the japanese xbox situation, no?

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And DC didn\'t have several mountains of cash behind it:)

Public perception...like PSX being a success then everyone buying a PS2 expecting the same. (hype)

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« Reply #49 on: October 08, 2002, 09:17:51 AM »
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Waiting for what? FFX was okay...after I figured out the story I likened up to it a bit more, but it\'s not on my favorites list...

YOu know what, I\'m not going to go any further...I see this heading towards a debate of personal taste. Sorry, I\'ll pass.


You obviously missed my entire point..

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« Reply #50 on: October 08, 2002, 09:19:23 AM »
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Ugh, I thought Fatal Frame was a cash in myself.  Uninspired crap. :)  You want unique, check out some of Sony\'s 1st party games, such as Fantavision (just ask Hawke ;)) and Rez.

Was it worth the new architecture?  Initially, despite the horrible graphics early on 9with few exceptions) I would have said yes.  Sony were trying to break away, and I thought it would lead into their next console, with which developers would already be familiar with the architecture.  But unless that happens, no, it wasn\'t worth it.

Not that I care, graphics are meaningless :)


Bravo. Fantavision to me was very fun and i always seem to want to go out and rent it. Not only that but if u could get over the jaggies the game was gorgeous. Getting back to the matter at hand, Ps2 is a console that really up-ed the knowledge of programmers and i would really like to see what they could use that knowledge to do. Yes Xbox has beautiful games and i really enjoy the environment that the games put you into. I have no real beef. Yes i was dissapointed in some of the grafix but quite frankly it doesnt matter the world. I mean coming out of a generation of jaggies and poor poly counts im quite content. Its too bad that sony couldnt add like a turbo ram card. If many of the problems came from Ps2\'s short VRAM then thats sad. Im really confused as to why sony made their system such a pain to develop for though. Ps1 was really generous to first time developers and really could bring them into a realm of greatness. Hmmm.... the world may never know. The fact of the matter is that no matter how much we debate minds may not be changed and the ps2 will forever be the same. No better no less.
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« Reply #51 on: October 08, 2002, 09:32:56 AM »
Hype sold the PS2 to me. Sure a lot of the games looked like they was goin\' to play well at launch - but they either turned out to be a dissapointment or delayed for quite sometime (hello? Silpheed!?). I have no problems admitting that I bought the PS2, due to the fact that the PSone was a "smash success", as Ginko called it.  

As for the launch games - they sucked, in my opinion. I bought at launch..
SSX, Summoner, TimeSplitters,RRV, TTT, Unreal Tourament and ya\' know what? I hated \'em all.

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« Reply #52 on: October 08, 2002, 09:33:59 AM »
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And there you have it...I knew you would get it sooner or later.

 


I was talking about developers you little peterpuffer :)

To you sales might not matter, but they do to the developers. Thats what I was talking about all along..

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« Reply #53 on: October 08, 2002, 09:39:46 AM »
Judging by your reply, you knew where I was coming from;)

The whole thread was based on one\'s opinion of PS2...is it the ultimate console.

I\'m sure you know where I stand.  I\'m through.

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« Reply #54 on: October 08, 2002, 09:44:07 AM »
Sales matters. When the devs dumps Xbox games and makes them instead for the 35 million and growing PS2 units, you\'ll understand why it matters. :)
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« Reply #55 on: October 08, 2002, 09:52:01 AM »
People seem to be missing Ginko\'s point on the Sales matters issue.

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« Reply #56 on: October 08, 2002, 10:05:42 AM »
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...want unique, check out some of Sony\'s 1st party games, such as Fantavision (just ask Hawke ;)) and Rez.



Rrriiight. I think you\'ve mixed up Frequency and Rez there... Rez by Sega :p Gitaroo man is said to be awesome too. hasn\'t come out here yet... :(
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« Reply #57 on: October 08, 2002, 11:35:28 AM »
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are the devs even using Cg?

i figured everyone (except the linux fans) would lose interest once it went open source

I think smaller developers are using it, but it doesn\'t seem to have caught on like nVidia hoped.
ATi also released their own version of this caller Rendermonkey which hasn\'t gotten alot of publicity.
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« Reply #58 on: October 08, 2002, 11:54:23 AM »
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Judging by your reply, you knew where I was coming from;)

The whole thread was based on one\'s opinion of PS2...is it the ultimate console.

I\'m sure you know where I stand.  I\'m through.

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You said sales dont matter. They matter for the devs, that I think we can agree on, and that’s what I’ve been talking about all along.

Im sure you care about sales alittle, because if a console aint selling its going to die.


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lol, he said peterpuffer


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« Reply #59 on: October 08, 2002, 12:59:07 PM »
Wait a second here.Many of u people seem to refer to the PS2 as the disappointment it was and how crap it was supposed to be  when it was newborn.
The console was judged badly by its first games and many people came to the conclusion it sucked and it would suck.Underestimated by criticism on its launch and first games.How many people said the PS2 was just an overhyped console that couldnt offer cgi quality graphics and graphics seen in the tech demo\'s?Graphics not much better than DC?Now some of u are doing it again in this thread.
Look at what we expected,what we got in launch and what we have now.What do the first games mean while now we have the games the console was promised to offer?
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.............mm ps2 promise hollywood movie graphics, the systems is so powerful it could lunch missle, ps2 could render and reproduce Star wars EP1 in real-time accoroding to some programmers, playing the playstation 2 is like being in the matrix, need i keep going?  I could go all day.  PS2 is awesome a great systems but also the most overhyped systems ever perhaps.

1.When u heard the words "hollywood movie graphics" u expected graphics 100% as good as real life?Huh?Or was it hollywood movie quality titles?
2.Lunch missile....has Sony said that officially?Also the rumor was about multible PS2 chipsets connected together.Not a PS2 being strong enough to do such a thing.
3.Reproduce?Nope.It was said that data from the CGI work done for the movie can be taken to the PS2.Not necessarily in the exact quality seen in the movie.Never said reproduce.I also have a magazine right here with me: ".....exciting news,especially with the follow-on news from a japanese magazine that Lucas not only wants to develop an episode II game for PS2, but that it could even be possible to use the original CG data from the film directly on the PS2".It does not say anywhere Sony said that thing.U said by ur self some programmers said.Also can u tell me  which software houses the programers were from?Expectations were so high the media expressed them nearly as facts.
4.That one about Matrix.....or u ve made it up by yourself or someone else expected too much.Sony once again never said that.Or perhaps there was a confusion made with the GScube matrix demonstration.

Most hyped wasnt made directly from Sony but from the highly expectations expressed by media and consumers.

Also here is what the magazine sais "While Harisson was at pains to stress the next gen console was\'t a PC replacement, he did outline a potential upgrade curve for new peripherals that would expand the range of PS2"

"We are not saying that u will plug these devices in, but that u can plug these devices in.We didnt want the future marketing of this machine to be constrained by technology.Thats why we ve adopted these standard interfaces"

Clearly shows Sony never stated PS2 as a could be "PC killer".Again people\'s high excitement was the result of this.

The difference bettween XBOX hype and PS2 hype is that most XBOX hype came from MS while PS2 hype from the people\'s high expectations and excitement.It was the next gen console of the most succesfull console of that time.
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