PS2.....the underestimated console becomes THE console

Every console that I have ever waited for has been a dissapointment. Meaning, every new console is hyped, every new console is supposed to be a huge step in quality and games, and every new console is going to make me forget about the rest. It hasn\'t happened yet, but the ride sure is fun, and expensive!

Ace

Sigh, aside from all this "good sales means great console" I will say this about sales.  It\'s a lot easier to sell a million copies of a game on a userbase of 40,000,000 than it is on one of 5,000,000.  It\'s common knowledge, so in a way, sales define what a console is.

Fastson, Hurricane...just read my posts again.  You\'ll find you answers there.

You two seem to be the only one\'s who didn\'t get it.

The PS2 set the bar for hype in 2000. Just a little snippit.


EGM #133 august 2000 pg50

"PLAYSTATION2.....is not the future of video game entertainment.

PLAYSTATION2 is the future of entertainment, period."

-KAZ HIRAL, COO,SCEA

Ugh.. I hate when threads blow up like this while I\'m away. I\'m not responding to all of this, even tho I have quite a bit to say on the subjects. I stand by my original assesments, and must say that I am appauled some of you have actually taken all of what\'s happened in the course of the last two years in perfect stride - smiling all the way.

Sorry I can\'t be so optimistic. The PS2 just wasn\'t worth purchasing at the time for me, and is just now becomming worthwhile enough to seriously look into. (As in, searching for best prices and starting the buying process) I can\'t imagine how many of you felt at the launch thru the first year of it\'s life always looking over the next dissapoint for the time when you\'re $300+ dollars would finally bear some worthwhile fruit.

As for Hype.. it certainly had a part in it.. but I think expectations had a lot more. People saw how successful the PSX was and expected the PS2 to follow suit.. so buying the PS2 was an investment in the future for them, even if it was lackluster and disappointing to start out with.

The first year was anything but disappointing to me.  The launch games that I got were great (TTT, SSX, Timesplitters, and yes, even DOA2 was worth the purchase at the time ).  Then there was a little dry spell with most games released being only mediocre (The Bouncer, ZOE).  During this time, the only great game IMO was Onimusha.  Then we had some more mediocre games until the summer (Dark Cloud, Red Faction).  But then we got into the great games again with GT3 and TMB.  And then came the infamous "PS2 fall lineup 2001" :eek: where a great game was being released just about every other week.

Sure, the whole year wasn\'t perfect gaming nirvana, but it was pretty darn close.  And when comparing that year to the NGC\'s and Xbox\'s first year, it kind of puts into perspective how on-par  the PS2\'s first year really was -- nothing to be laughed at or whined over.

And back to the main topic, was there ever any doubt?

well if were coparing it to the PS1\'s success

take a look at the PS1\'s launch list

*shudder*

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I can\'t imagine how many of you felt at the launch thru the first year of it\'s life always looking over the next dissapoint for the time when you\'re $300+ dollars would finally bear some worthwhile fruit.

You wanna know how I felt? I felt like a a vunerable guy who had just been anally raped by a bigger guy and then my wallet was stolen by him. My only comfort was at home in alittle box that was white and casted dreams ...sweet , sweet dreams....

Originally posted by Ginko
*I wouldn\'t post them...that would lead in another direction that I don\'t care to go.

SSX, RR5, Timesplitters, Summoner, etc...nothing special, in fact they border on mediocre.  Those titles did not sell 10 million consoles...hype did.

Sorry matey but i feal that i must disagree with you.....

Timesplitters might not Whaoooo Graphicaly but it\'s got Playability and multiplayer madness in Tonnes (plus people are Still playing it !)Also running at a Silky smooth 60 FPS helped unlike *coff*HALO*coff*

anyway i think you will find that the current trend for X box titles now-a-days is All Flash ....No Substance (the the Poor X bouxy has been around for some time now :rolleyes:, were are Da killer PS2 apps ?)


Also i think you will find FFX , MGS2 , onimusha  GTA3 & GT3 are perfect examples of what the user base can do(in some case\'s those games DID lead to an increase in Console Sales Grand Theft Auto 3 esp),and what the game can do rather than HYPE(Some of them sold over 1 million with in a day{something tell\'s me that 2 million Japanese Gamers in on week can\'t be wrong}).

and this trend is set to continue for the PS2

/me points to the massive amount of PRE-order\'s and excitment over the Comming of GTA : VC Along with the ever growing intrest in ZOE 2 : the Second Runner

anyway hope there is no hard fealings between us buddy, by previous coment was Aimed at the PStwo\'s and Rasl\'s of this world

Originally posted by Unicron!
Wait a second here.Many of u people seem to refer to the PS2 as the disappointment it was and how crap it was supposed to be  when it was newborn.
The console was judged badly by its first games and many people came to the conclusion it sucked and it would suck.Underestimated by criticism on its launch and first games.How many people said the PS2 was just an overhyped console that couldnt offer cgi quality graphics and graphics seen in the tech demo\'s?Graphics not much better than DC?Now some of u are doing it again in this thread.
Look at what we expected,what we got in launch and what we have now.What do the first games mean while now we have the games the console was promised to offer?

1.When u heard the words "hollywood movie graphics" u expected graphics 100% as good as real life?Huh?Or was it hollywood movie quality titles?
2.Lunch missile....has Sony said that officially?Also the rumor was about multible PS2 chipsets connected together.Not a PS2 being strong enough to do such a thing.
3.Reproduce?Nope.It was said that data from the CGI work done for the movie can be taken to the PS2.Not necessarily in the exact quality seen in the movie.Never said reproduce.I also have a magazine right here with me: ".....exciting news,especially with the follow-on news from a japanese magazine that Lucas not only wants to develop an episode II game for PS2, but that it could even be possible to use the original CG data from the film directly on the PS2".It does not say anywhere Sony said that thing.U said by ur self some programmers said.Also can u tell me  which software houses the programers were from?Expectations were so high the media expressed them nearly as facts.
4.That one about Matrix.....or u ve made it up by yourself or someone else expected too much.Sony once again never said that.Or perhaps there was a confusion made with the GScube matrix demonstration.

Most hyped wasnt made directly from Sony but from the highly expectations expressed by media and consumers.

Also here is what the magazine sais "While Harisson was at pains to stress the next gen console was\'t a PC replacement, he did outline a potential upgrade curve for new peripherals that would expand the range of PS2"

"We are not saying that u will plug these devices in, but that u can plug these devices in.We didnt want the future marketing of this machine to be constrained by technology.Thats why we ve adopted these standard interfaces"

Clearly shows Sony never stated PS2 as a could be "PC killer".Again people\'s high excitement was the result of this.

The difference bettween XBOX hype and PS2 hype is that most XBOX hype came from MS while PS2 hype from the people\'s high expectations and excitement.It was the next gen console of the most succesfull console of that time.

1.first off yes they did say hollywood movie quaitly graphics and ps2 has good graphics but hollywood movie quaitly graphics?  I don\'t think so.

2.  This is just laughable ps2 chipset can lunch a missle?  Yeah and xbox can be used as atom bomb as well.:rolleyes:


3.  Strange how no star wars games looked near eposide 1 graphics?  Nuff said..................what happen to it being able to do in real time.


4.  Yes this came from the maker of the ps2  ken k.  he said "playing ps2 is like jacking into the matrix or another world.".


LOL!!!!!!!!  YEs ps2 was the most hyped system ever.  Xbox was just said to be 3 times more powerful than ps2 and the most powerful console ever.  Hey at least Microsoft never said it could blow up half the planet.

good lord, please save us!

Originally posted by ooseven
Sorry matey but i feal that i must disagree with you.....

join the crowd.

Timesplitters might not Whaoooo Graphicaly but it\'s got Playability and multiplayer madness in Tonnes (plus people are Still playing it !)Also running at a Silky smooth 60 FPS helped unlike *coff*HALO*coff*

You completely missed my point...I wasn\'t hitting on any one game.  Rather I was asking why is that the PS2 was able to leap to stardom on such titles in such a short time?  No doubt they\'re good, but enough to propel 10 million consoles into homes...no.

Hype/aniticipation had a big part to do with it.  

You\'re snippet at Halo is unnecessary and tired...let it go.

anyway i think you will find that the current trend for X box titles now-a-days is All Flash ....No Substance (the the Poor X bouxy has been around for some time now :rolleyes:, were are Da killer PS2 apps ?)

I think you\'ll find that on most consoles...I could tear this apart into little pieces but then we\'d be covering familar territory.  I\'ll close this thread before it goes there.

Once again, this was unnecessary...

Also i think you will find FFX , MGS2 , onimusha  GTA3 & GT3 are perfect examples of what the user base can do(in some case\'s those games DID lead to an increase in Console Sales Grand Theft Auto 3 esp),and what the game can do rather than HYPE(Some of them sold over 1 million with in a day{something tell\'s me that 2 million Japanese Gamers in on week can\'t be wrong}).

Another person who missed what I was trying to get across.  I\'m getting tired of you people skimming over my posts and quickly replying like this.  I answered this full and well about a page back.  Go and look.

and this trend is set to continue for the PS2

And it\'s not for Xbox or GC?  Can you honestly say the GC or Xbox have that much of a weaker lineup?  For their userbase compared to the PS2\'s, I\'d say they\'re doing pretty good.

My point is the Xbox and GC are here to stay...are they getting the same amount of support as PS2...no.  They are however, getting a healthy lineup of games.  

/me points to the massive amount of PRE-order\'s and excitment over the Comming of GTA : VC Along with the ever growing intrest in ZOE 2 : the Second Runner

anyway hope there is no hard fealings between us buddy, by previous coment was Aimed at the PStwo\'s and Rasl\'s of this world

What\'s happening now is what the thread was aimed at...however it took a nasty turn somewhere and I\'ve ended up defending myself.

I should leave this thread alone...no hard feelings are ever intended towards anyone (except maybe gman and chrono;))

/me agrees

this post is pointless now

the PS2 is a fine console that has proven its doubters wrong several times over

the xbox and GC have yet to do so, but they will in due time