Sony\'s blocking Tomb Raider: AOD

Especially since wise old seven tells us that we are stupid because obviously Sony has ALWAYS had quality control.

Talking about stupidity. :rolleyes: If you read through this thread, it should be clear to who that comment was aimed at. Of course, our poor little Gohan has to take things personal.

Now step infront of a mirror, take a deep breath and then take a good look at yourself... The truth hurts doesn\'t it?

Seriously, when I look at the rest of Sony\'s "quality control" if this game was bad by their standards, then WHOA!!! Has anyone else played the first PS2 Gameday? WHOA. Just thinking that the same people who let Gameday ship would not let Tomb Raider ship hs me in awe of the utter garbageness of the game.

If you reread my above reply, I did mention that they are more important games and less important ones. Obviously, there are games that can lead to having a bad reputation and games no one cares about. Who cares if the next [insert low-level budget game here] is shit. Now, who cares if the next [Tomb Raider, GetAway or other hyped up game] turns out to be really bad. Come on man, think. Use your brain. You can\'t tell me that Sony just makes the consoles and everything beyond that is not relevant.

Originally posted by seven
If you reread my above reply, I did mention that they are more important games and less important ones. Obviously, there are games that can lead to having a bad reputation and games no one cares about. Who cares if the next [insert low-level budget game here] is shit. Now, who cares if the next [Tomb Raider, GetAway or other hyped up game] turns out to be really bad.

Please tell me why the new Tomb Raider game for the PS2 is now more important than Sony\'s internally developed games? The Tomb Raider games have been crap since part 2 and Sony has never done any "quality control". This is funny considering the fact that they were all exclusive to the PSX until the latest one came out on the DC.

Originally posted by seven
Come on man, think. Use your brain. You can\'t tell me that Sony just makes the consoles and everything beyond that is not relevant.

Why can\'t I? What exactly lets you know that Sony has some sort of quality control when it comes to their games?

Tomb Raider is hyped by NO ONE. Tell me why its release would be so important for Sony?

Originally posted by Gohan

Please tell me why the new Tomb Raider game for the PS2 is now more important than Sony\'s internally developed games? The Tomb Raider games have been crap since part 2 and Sony has never done any "quality control". This is funny considering the fact that they were all exclusive to the PSX until the latest one came out on the DC.

Well this time Core has said "Ooh the new game will be sooo different, totally new gameplay" ect. ect. (Remember all the fancy videos?)

If I can speculate Sony wants what they paid for, they want a game that can live up to what Core said, not just another "Tomb Raider" (if you know what I mean).
If Tomb Raider flops Sony will look bad.

And who knows maybe Sony is getting more strict? I read in a Magazine (unknown to you) that Sony halted development on Japanese game (I think it was developed by Konami) some months ago because it did not live up to their expectations.

Gohan, I don\'t see why it\'s so hard to grasp that this is possible.  Sony could have pulled a 180 and could actually care about releasing bad games on their systems.  Playstation is a household name now.  Don\'t you think it\'s possible Sony wants the best image possible for the Playstation name?

Besides, this is a new generation.  IMO, Sony\'s focus on the PS was releasing as many games as possible, be it crap on a stick or not.  That\'s why we saw all those crappy Tomb Raider sequels.

What exactly lets you know that Sony has some sort of quality control when it comes to their games?

They obviously care about their games.

Look at Sony\'s first party efforts on the PS2 thus far.  They\'ve put out some amazing games.  Games like ICO, Sly Cooper, Mark of Kri, and Gran Turismo 3 are just a few examples. IMO, Sony\'s first part games on the PS2 are far, far better than anything they\'ve done on the PS.  That right there shows you they\'re commited to releasing quality titles.  If they didn\'t care their first party efforts would mimic the PS days.

EDIT: Changed Gran Turismo 4 to GT 3.  I gotta start re-reading my posts.  Sorry. :crap:

Originally posted by nataku
If they didn\'t care their first party efforts would mimic the PS days.

To an extent it does. Sony picked up more first party developers this generation so they have more games coming out. If you compare the crap to quality ratio of the PS2 to the PSX(1st party) it would probably be about the same.

I just don\'t see how someone can say that Sony suddenly has this strict quality control when low quality software keeps dropping.

You want to know about companies that never cared about quality?Goldstar,panasonic,3do,jaguar.All dead now.Sony cares.

Please tell me why the new Tomb Raider game for the PS2 is now more important than Sony\'s internally developed games?

Are you refering to any specific "internal developer"? If you\'re refering to 989, take sales for one, then interest in the game etc. No one cares if the next 989 games flops, but if the next Tomb Raider does, count me in. And who are you to say Sony doesn\'t care about the other internally developed games? Wipeout Fusion was delayed, the Getaway has been delayed for years, Gran Turismo 3 was delayed... sure, they all let us assume it was the developer themselves who delayed the game - but c\'mon, to think that Sony doesn\'t care is just being plane ignorant. It could just aswell be Sony being the one delaying those games.

Why can\'t I? What exactly lets you know that Sony has some sort of quality control when it comes to their games?

Tomb Raider is hyped by NO ONE. Tell me why its release would be so important for Sony?

Tomb Raider, if negative or postive, has a very strong name. Then there\'s probably an exclusive deal concerning this game (one that involves a lot of money), so you can bet that Sony wants to see this game turn out good.

Hell, I have no idea why I\'m repeating myself here. Common sense should be well able settle this stupid arguement. Any company has to give a damn of what to release, when to release and to whom they release it. PSX generation was a tad bit different, as the market wasn\'t that competitive. Now you\'ve got Microsoft willing to beat Sony with quality titles coming out. Not giving a damn about the games you bring out is just bound to get your ass kicked.

Wipeout Fusion was delayed, the Getaway has been delayed for years, Gran Turismo 3 was delayed... sure, they all let us assume it was the developer themselves who delayed the game - but c\'mon, to think that Sony doesn\'t care is just being plane ignorant. It could just aswell be Sony being the one delaying those games.

I\'m not going to get into the quality control issues since it\'s pointless to argue if they exist or not since none of us here work for sony, none of us here know of their policies, and the only thing we have to go on is past references.  Companies can change, but when it comes to quick cash and lots of it, no company gives a damn on how it comes or in what form.  The bottom line is most important, but it\'s moot to argue how each company tries to reach the bottom line since they all want it done quickly and with the least amount of cost.

I will touch on those developers though and state that lots of games are delayed for lots of reasons, but not all of them come out as better because of delays and there are many examples of this from many different developers spanning many different consoles.  Delays can happen for a number of reasons, but the main one is when the game isn\'t ready or there is a huge flaw.  When a game is released with said huge flaw and people are aggravated over it until a fix is available, those games are called PC games.  

[Living-In-Clip]

No one is saying it\'s impossible - what Gohan and I are saying is it is ignorant to automatically assume that Sony has done a 360 and started to care abou quality. Tomb Raider is not a system seller and Sony knows this. Why delay it? It\'s not hyped and it isn\'t a Sony first party title. 989 Studio\'s is first party and yet Sony continues to allow them to put crap titles out. Now , you explain that.

As for the comment about MS able and willing to beat Sony out with quality titles..Well, that\'s just amusing.

And my god, I can\'t believe someone actually called GRAN TURISMO 4 a quality title when we haven\'t even seen a video of it. Counting your chickens before the eggs hatch,eh?

L-I-C I don\'t think anyone directly said that Sony has done a 360. My whole point is, is that it\'s ignorant to think that Sony doesn\'t care at all. Obviously they have to if they want to stay on top. Using common-sense, it\'s fairly logical to assume that every company has some sort of quality control. Some are more strict, others less. I also never said that they\'re as strict as Nintendo once was. Just because there\'s a lot of crap games out on the market doesn\'t mean Sony\'s tolerant towards every single game outthere.

989 Studio\'s is first party and yet Sony continues to allow them to put crap titles out. Now , you explain that.

I already have. More than once may I add:

Obviously, there are games that can lead to having a bad reputation and games no one cares about. Who cares if the next [insert low-level budget game here] is shit. Now, who cares if the next [Tomb Raider, GetAway or other hyped up game] turns out to be really bad.

Are you refering to any specific "internal developer"? If you\'re refering to 989, take sales for one, then interest in the game etc. No one cares if the next 989 games flops, but if the next Tomb Raider does, count me in.

I really do hope I don\'t have to repeat myself again. I also mentioned these as possible reasons:

• exclusivity deal == money
• promises by Core not being fullfilled
• hype concerning the game

Pack this up and you will see that there are games people care about and games no one does. 989 and their first party efforts have been weak, but then again, if their next game flops, it won\'t do much harm to Sony\'s name. If the next Tomb Raider, Getaway, Jak & Daxter does - go figure what will slowly happen...

L-I-C, with all do respect, please act your age. This is getting tiring and you bringing in flawed points (i.e. hardware quality at launch) isn\'t helping your arguement one little bit.

Oh and as for Gran Turismo 4. Are we going down to nit-picking now, are we?

Also, for every game being developed for PS2, Sony gets $$$$. So why be strict on everything if it gives you money, regardless of how much quality is in the game?

But, if the next hyped up game is a let down, you get less sales, and it can do way more damage by hurting your name recognition. People will be disappointed and can be a distinct disadvantage in this competitive market.

Now, I can\'t get lower than this. Either you got it by now, or I guess not. It\'s just not worth debating anymore.

hmmmmmmmm.........it must be pretty bad if sony\'s blocking the game from coming out.........LOL!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
No one is saying it\'s impossible - what Gohan and I are saying is it is ignorant to automatically assume that Sony has done a 360 and started to care abou quality. Tomb Raider is not a system seller and Sony knows this. Why delay it? It\'s not hyped and it isn\'t a Sony first party title. 989 Studio\'s is first party and yet Sony continues to allow them to put crap titles out. Now , you explain that.

As for the comment about MS able and willing to beat Sony out with quality titles..Well, that\'s just amusing.

And my god, I can\'t believe someone actually called GRAN TURISMO 4 a quality title when we haven\'t even seen a video of it. Counting your chickens before the eggs hatch,eh?

Beleive me there are people that will buy a PS2 for Tomb Raider.Also the name Tomb Raider was a game that selled PSX1\'s and it was like Tomb Raider=PS1 before Tomb Raider:The last revelation.
Why do u think Sony made TB an exclusive PS2 game?

989 Studio is "dead".There are more important teams for Sony to care about now.Except for 989 studio Sony is having nice exclusive titles being made for PS2.

[Living-In-Clip]

You\'re right. It\'s not worth debating any longer. You continue to think Sony cares about quality and I continue to believe they don\'t give a damn about quality. Nothing I say can convince you otherwise and nothing you say can convince me otherwise. It\'s that simple.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
And my god, I can\'t believe someone actually called GRAN TURISMO 4 a quality title when we haven\'t even seen a video of it. Counting your chickens before the eggs hatch,eh?

Sorry, that was me.  I changed it to what it was supposed to be, GT3.  I never read my posts after they go up. :crap: