Sony\'s blocking Tomb Raider: AOD

This kid constantly puts up unfounded facts and thinks that he is making absolute sense. I can\'t let such follishness go unpunished.

Originally posted by seven
Wipeout Fusion was delayed, the Getaway has been delayed for years, Gran Turismo 3 was delayed... sure, they all let us assume it was the developer themselves who delayed the game - but c\'mon, to think that Sony doesn\'t care is just being plane ignorant. It could just aswell be Sony being the one delaying those games.

So now you are going to take games that were delayed by their developers and assume that Sony delayed them because of quality? The developers have all said why the games were delayed which gives me facts to stand on. You can assume all you want about why they were delayed but its nothing but fanciful thoughts in your head.

Originally posted by seven
Tomb Raider, if negative or postive, has a very strong name. Then there\'s probably an exclusive deal concerning this game (one that involves a lot of money), so you can bet that Sony wants to see this game turn out good.

Tomb Raider HAD a strong name.  The sales of the game have diminished with every new release. Just because YOU like the game does not mean that it is still a big franchise.

Originally posted by seven
Hell, I have no idea why I\'m repeating myself here. Common sense should be well able settle this stupid arguement. Any company has to give a damn of what to release, when to release and to whom they release it. PSX generation was a tad bit different, as the market wasn\'t that competitive. Now you\'ve got Microsoft willing to beat Sony with quality titles coming out. Not giving a damn about the games you bring out is just bound to get your ass kicked.

There again you are absolutely wrong. Tell me how this generation is more competitive than the PSX generation? At this point last generation the PSX and N64 were seperated by about 1 million consoles. Right now Sony has a 16-17 million console cushion. [sarcasm]That sure is a close one. To close to call, in fact. You know if Sony releases a couple of bad games then Microsoft could jump right in there with 20 million more consoles.[/sarcasm]

Oh boy, you really punished me there... :rolleyes:

I think I\'ll dodge the crap in your post and go directly to the more interesting parts:

There again you are absolutely wrong. Tell me how this generation is more competitive than the PSX generation? At this point last generation the PSX and N64 were seperated by about 1 million consoles. Right now Sony has a 16-17 million console cushion. [sarcasm]That sure is a close one. To close to call, in fact. You know if Sony releases a couple of bad games then Microsoft could jump right in there with 20 million more consoles.[/sarcasm]

Despite total sales, Nintendo has more 3rd party support, exclusive 3rd party content and some very nice software coming their way. Microsoft is a new and aggressive new competitor, heaps of support, very strong 1st/2nd parties and they\'re willing to invest just as much cash as Sony. Microsoft is the very first competitor that has the money power to buy their success. That\'s what I ment with more competitive. Just look at the software coming to Xbox - there\'s a lot of pressure on Sony to deliever good content aswell. Last generation was perhaps interesting up until Nintendo started loosing their 3rd parties...

Anyways, I\'ll end this right here: as it seems, Sony does care or else they wouldn\'t be stopping the above mentioned game. Get over it.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
You\'re right. It\'s not worth debating any longer. You continue to think Sony cares about quality and I continue to believe they don\'t give a damn about quality. Nothing I say can convince you otherwise and nothing you say can convince me otherwise. It\'s that simple.

What are u saying?That Sony is THAT naive?

Originally posted by seven
I think I\'ll dodge the crap in your post and go directly to the more interesting parts:

Riiight...just admit that I was right.

Originally posted by seven
Despite total sales, Nintendo has more 3rd party support, exclusive 3rd party content and some very nice software coming their way. Microsoft is a new and aggressive new competitor, heaps of support, very strong 1st/2nd parties and they\'re willing to invest just as much cash as Sony. Microsoft is the very first competitor that has the money power to buy their success. That\'s what I ment with more competitive. Just look at the software coming to Xbox - there\'s a lot of pressure on Sony to deliever good content aswell. Last generation was perhaps interesting up until Nintendo started loosing their 3rd parties...

So despite the insurmountable lead in all regions the exponentially larger library of released and up-coming games, this generation is more competitive than last? Seriously, you are an idiot. You are using backwards logic and making yourself look stupid.

Originally posted by seven
Anyways, I\'ll end this right here: as it seems, Sony does care or else they wouldn\'t be stopping the above mentioned game. Get over it.

Again, for the slower readers. This is a RUMOR at gamers.com not exactly the end all be all of gaming info.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Tomb Raider is not a system seller and Sony knows this. Why delay it? It\'s not hyped and it isn\'t a Sony first party title.

I think Tomb Raider is a system seller with all previous games on PSone selling around 20 million units, why delay it to protect their rumoured £10 million investment and make sure it\'s a top quality product.

989 Studio\'s is first party and yet Sony continues to allow them to put crap titles out. Now , you explain that.

Well that\'s Sony America for you, if this rumour is true it would be Sony Europe who stumped up the cash calling the shots.

Originally posted by fastson

And who knows maybe Sony is getting more strict? I read in a Magazine (unknown to you) that Sony halted development on Japanese game (I think it was developed by Konami) some months ago because it did not live up to their expectations.

I think that was Sony America who didn\'t pass it has the quality of the title, forgot it\'s name something Ninja was apparently appalling but I believe it was released in Japan.

Riiight...just admit that I was right.

Right about something not even you yourself can prove? You wish...

Guess what? I don\'t have a slight idea why we\'re suddenly argueing over which generation is more competitive - it\'s not important to my main arguement anyway. Go back to the first page and you\'ll see what my point is - and it\'s already backed up, discussed and it doesn\'t need to be repeated again. You taking cheap shots at bits of my replies while ignoring the main points already proves by itself that you lost the arguement and have no intention to argue in an appropriate maner. There\'s absolutely no need to go through this again. Suck it up, kiddo.

^^^You NEVER made a valid argument. You started with insults and hypothetical situations. I showed why this rumor made no sense and you came with more hypothetical situations. You have yet to post up a viable argument.

^^^You NEVER made a valid argument. You started with insults and hypothetical situations. I showed why this rumor made no sense and you came with more hypothetical situations. You have yet to post up a viable argument.

Your problem is that you\'ve never bothered to read through my main arguement. Let me lay it down more clearly, as quoted by you further up:

I just don\'t see how someone can say that Sony suddenly has this strict quality control when low quality software keeps dropping.

I never said that Sony suddenly has this strict quality control. I did say however that Sony does care enough if it\'s about securing their number 1 spot. As I have repeatedly said, there are games that can do more damage than others, if they turn out disappointing. Tomb Raider, despite your own personal opinion, has a strong name and still has a lot of people interested in the series, especially after the promises Core made for this new game. Sales from last generation underline this, even the fact that Core\'s still milking this series goes to show that it\'s still profitable. Even if the name isn\'t the reason, I also mentioned the exclusivity of this title possibly being another reason.

Scenario:
Gohan, you have a company and due to the promises of this developer, you decide to buy the exclusivity of this game for your console. Keep in mind though, it does cost you quite a bit of money. Come the week of the launch, you see the product and see that everything that was promised was either forgotton, is not good enough or simply absent. How do you react?

a.) "Oh well, there goes my money"-attitude
b.) You\'re seriously upset, as it\'s clearly not what you payed for, and you put the pressure onto the developers to make significant changes to the game.

In short, if it\'s not the Tomb Raider name or name-recognition, exclusivity could be the reason to why this game may be blocked by Sony.

So much for your arguement of the rumour not making much sense, ey?

So console debate isn\'t dead after all :cool: Nice going LIC :rolleyes:

Sony isn\'t worried about staying #1 this gen but they certainly want to keep the momentum as strong as possible going into next gen.

TR isn\'t a big franchise

it\'s HUGE.

If the rumour of delay is true, is it really so hard to believe Sony would delay release on this game because of content? Being #1 has its advantages. Like holding back release of a potential blockbuster until the promise of "not just another rehash with a pretty face" is fulfilled.

[Living-In-Clip]

Tomb Raider is a huge franchise? Then explain why general interest in the last two installments was close to zero and the newest game is not being hyped that much. It was a huge franchise until Core killed it with sequels.

^^^I\'m wondering the same thing. Tomb Raider hasn\'t been a big franchise in a long time and is about as much of a system seller as a Bloody Roar game.

Yeah, there was so little interest in TRLR(IV) they went ahead with TRC(V) just to throw money away. And though the movie stunk, a squeal is in production because hollywood has just completely run dry of ideas for tax right offs.  

So let\'s see those sales numbers showing near zero interest, I\'ll bet they\'re still better than 90% of all console games in the last three years. Go check if you guys care so much. I know the next TR will sell a few million copies, even if it\'s a rehash, just because it\'s the first PS2 version.

^^^Its a franchise. Franchises games keep getting made because the guys in suits think that success of one game equals success of its sequel. Which is why games like Crash Bandicoot, Army Men, etc keep getting made.

The Tomb Raider Movie sequel is being made because the movie did well at the box office. Why did it do well? Because it had guns, explosions, large breasts and a rating that let little boys see it.

Originally posted by Gohan
^^^Its a franchise. Franchises games keep getting made because the guys in suits think that success of one game equals success of its sequel. Which is why games like Crash Bandicoot, Army Men, etc keep getting made.

The Tomb Raider Movie sequel is being made because the movie did well at the box office. Why did it do well? Because it had guns, explosions, large breasts and a rating that let little boys see it.

Crash was nice.Was succesfull untill Crash4:mad:.Army men suck.Never were succesfull.

Anyways although Tomb Raider wasnt the Tomb Raider we knew since TR4 the first ones still took some of the greatest gaming moments.
The others were too much ignored to say the series got vitiated enough to ruin what TB was before.The new ones especially Cronicles its as if they never existed.

TB:AOD could become the TB1 of PS2.There is still a chance it might become an AAA title.And Sony wants that.They want to establish the name Tomb Raider as it was for the PS1 with TB1 2 and 3(although it was too hard to keep fans).

Sony wanted to make Lara Croft an important character for the PSX1 world.It was almost something like a secondary mascot.Thats why as I said before they tried to own exclusive rights.They needed TB when the console was gaining the most strength.Remember how much news had been flowing in PS1 magazines about the sequels(before TB4)??
Thats what they are doing now.Thats what they are trying to do with TB now.

Another reason is with all those exclusive third party XBOX titles are putting Sony in the need of exclusive third party PS2 titles.And they need them to be good otherwise that exclusive title wont worth it.



Also dont forget that TR4 and Cronicles were released near the ending of the PSX1\'s generation.Even if crap the PS1 generation is weak for people to give much attention to them.