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« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2002, 12:13:56 AM »
I always thought adoption would be harder on a woman that abortion would. At least with an abortion, as far as I know, there wouldn\'t be any maternal instinct kicking in.
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« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2002, 01:32:11 AM »
I must say, I have a 3 year old son. I was 15 when he was born. I wanted her to get an abortion, it would have led to a way more healthy life mentally and financially if that would of happened. I wasnt wearing condoms and she was supposed to be on birth control. Back then I was flippin out, I didnt need a kid that early. But I stayed and now hes a strong, smart little man and I love him to death. But after all Ive been through already, I would have stuck with it. Damn, I feel guilty and f*cked up for saying that now that hes here but its true. Ive lived a lifetime already and Im only 19. Fuq it, thats just the way it is.
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« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2002, 02:04:07 AM »
Here we go, my opinion on a whole is it\'s wrong, except in cetain circumstances, for example if the baby is deformed or in any way retarded, I think you\'re personally doing the baby a favour. If it’s just a case of some slag has had a kid because she’s a dirty whore but just doesn’t want it then my thought’s are, you knew what you were doing now live with the ****ing consequences.
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« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2002, 02:21:46 AM »
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Here we go, my opinion on a whole is it\'s wrong, except in cetain circumstances, for example if the baby is deformed or in any way retarded, I think you\'re personally doing the baby a favour. If it’s just a case of some slag has had a kid because she’s a dirty whore but just doesn’t want it then my thought’s are, you knew what you were doing now live with the ****ing consequences.


The only flaw in your theory is that same applies if the child comes out handicapped as you stated earlier. Those people also knew of a possibility of a handicapped child.
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« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2002, 07:02:09 AM »
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Abortions are availble free of charge though county hospitals. As for the depressive aspect of it all, more women are affected by not aborting and givng up for adoption.


They shouldnt give their child for adoption either.

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« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2002, 07:10:04 AM »
Why not?
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« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2002, 08:14:06 AM »
If a woman wants and abortion then she should be entitled to do so.

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« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2002, 10:07:42 AM »
Nice way to back it up Kurt. :rolleyes:  

As for with rape, I don\'t completely know yet.  I guess abortion in a rape case only.  No other exceptions.  Adoption is always a much better choice.  If you can\'t handle the kid, don\'t have sex.  Thats why I allow an abortion on rape.

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« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2002, 10:58:53 AM »
Abortion is only wrong by moral standards. Who are we to judge what is right and what is wrong? Is it right to have sex without the idea of conceiving a child? Is it OK to only have sex for pleasure? We have the ability to reproduce just as every other living organism. We just tend to abuse it.

If people lived by the idea of not having pre-marital sex, or not having sex unless trying to conceive a chid then abortion wouldn\'t be an argument. But we don\'t live this way. And birth control isn\'t 100%

My view on the subject is cloudy. I think the woman has a right to choose. However, I still think the taking of an innocent life is wrong. But then I ask myself these questions.....  

Lets say you have a crack whore on the corner, fukin everbody she knows just for a few rocks. Do you really want her spitting out babys? What about the women that do nothing but have children to collect child support and wellfare? Or the women that dump their babys in dumpsters to have them suffer and die a slow death. If they don\'t have the option of abortion, how many times do you think they will do this?

I agree adoption is an option, but is it morally right to bring a life into this world knowing you don\'t want it? What if a woman is raped? What if a woman can\'t have the child for medical reasons...meaning she could die during labor?

Some of these questions make you think about it. Or at least it makes me think about it.

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« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2002, 12:17:01 PM »
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i had some chick that got an abortion come to my school saying why abortion is bad. she said its mentally difficult for the woman after the abortion. also,  she said that the baby has a heart beat and is alive by the time they find out that the womans pregnant. As for my view, i honestly dont have a view..1 side says abortion is bad, since it is a living being, but the other side of me says that the baby doesnt know(i know that sounds morally wrong)


Well, that\'s not true, considering you can detect if a woman is pregnant before a heart even begins to form...

Seriously though, I don\'t think the question should be whether it is right or wrong.  The question should be who should have the right to decide what\'s right and wrong.  I think such a personal decision, that affects someone this deeply should be up to the people it affects, and only those people.  The law makers and the pro life people have no idea what some of the circumstances people are in are like.  To impose what you believe to be right on someone else, who can be under such extremely different circumstances, is what\'s really wrong, in my opinion.
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« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2002, 10:08:36 PM »
First off, it\'s not my choice unless I\'m the father of the child.

As far as my personal view on Abortion, I see it as being alright up to a certain point. At early stages of development, you could take the DNA out of the cells of a Zygote and turn a human fetus into a fish or a chicken or whatever you wanted. Ever look at Zygotes? It\'s amazing jus how similar all virabret life looks at it\'s early stages of development. Bears, Horses, Sharks, Dogs, Kangaroos, Humans.. we all look pretty much the same to begin with. The line should be drawn (IMO, and in my case only) when the fetus\'s brain starts firing it\'s synapses. After that.. it starts to learn and grow.. develop the beginnings of a personality.. starts to actually become human.

I mean.. why get so anal about a woman killing a zygote when hundreds of women flush perfectly good fertalized eggs down the toilet because of a period or the pill?
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« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2002, 11:29:42 PM »
perfectly good fertalized eggs is a good band name...


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« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2002, 08:56:15 AM »
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« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2002, 08:34:27 PM »
A few members have mentioned that a fetus isn\'t a human being yet.  In my opinion, what grows inside a woman for the first 7 months is a parasite.  It feeds off of what a woman eats and the biological waste it excretes is carried out of the woman as well (kinda like a ringworm).  Its survival depends on the host body.  So hypothetically, make the woman disappear and the parasite will shrivel and die.

In the case of rape, some rapists actually still run free, never getting caught.  Imagine what a person, who was orphaned, started to research his/her background and found out that he/she was a product of rape or even incest.  That\'s like thousands of dollars of therapy.

Why should a bunch of old, male caucasian politics make a decision of what happens to a woman.  I bet they\'d want their mistresses to get an abortion before their wives found out.

Yes, I agree, we do abuse the act of sex but does that stop people from doing it?  No.  Do contraceptives work all the time?  No.  Abortions should be left as an option that\'s available.  In my health class, we had watched a video about drug use in England.  We know that marijuana and heroin are bad for you, but according to the video, the English are getting those drugs as prescriptions to not only control where addicts get their drugs but also to help them quit.  That\'s an option; it\'s bad but it\'s an option anyway.
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« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2002, 08:47:33 PM »
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182- You\'d deny them that because giving birth to the child, then giving it away, would be a very painful process, both physically and emotionally.


The problem is, 99 times out of 100, having an abortion is a much more emotionally painful process.  Most women are unfulfilled and depressed (even suicidal) after an abortion takes place.  Feelings of emptyness and regret are in place those which you thought would be relief.

 

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