AMD steps out...

the RD is already done. thier prepared for up to 10ghz (if not secretly higher)

demand is what controls the prices and market, NOT supply

THATS simple business

again, why does overpriced intell kill any competition that tries?

Originally posted by mm
the RD is already done. thier prepared for up to 10ghz (if not secretly higher)

Yeah that\'s true now. I\'m doing a \'what if\' scenario. But it\'s clear that we see differently on things, so let\'s just agree to disagree.

Over and out.

its all a "what if" scenario

ahh, come on sammy

it was just getting interesting.
if only soully knew wtf he was talking about, i could debate with him

Alrighty then, let\'s continue some more.

Originally posted by mm
again, why does overpriced intell kill any competition that tries?

Perhaps because some people are narrowminded and conservative - and only want to buy Intel (the old and trusted brand) instead of coming out of the closet and actually getting some value for money?

define value?

by being tricked into buying  a "misnamed" product?

XP2000 = 1.6ghz?

thats not unfair marketing?

and how about AMD\'s heat problem?
this is why thier backing out, they have nowhere to go, and not enough money to research a new architecture

Misnamed product? Lol. Don\'t you think it says more about Intel than AMD, when their 1.67 GHz can MORE than compete with Intel\'s \'real\' 2 GHz? Clock for clock AMD more than spanks Intel. But yeah, it\'s true AMD processors run more hot than Intel\'s offerings (although it gets better with every revision).

By value I mean getting more than $145 worth of value for §75 (our little Pricewatch researches). Here is a little comparision of XP 2000+ vs. P4 2.0 GHz. Not bad for a 1.67 GHz processor eh? I mean, it\'s faster than the P4 in practically every benchmark.

What are your views on the AMD Athlon 64 btw?

Nowhere in that article does it say AMD will stop making PC chips.  It simply says they plan on providing chips for other devices to increase their effectiveness.  I don\'t know what the dude at /. is smoking.

http://www.forbes.com/newswire/2002/11/19/rtr799607.html

As a matter of fact if you go to AMD\'s stie they are pushing their new 64 bit Athlon.  Always check the source guys.

that comparison does not list stability

there are other factors also yer not comparing  (cache size and system bus speed)

Originally posted by mm
that comparison does not list stability

there are other factors also yer not comparing  (cache size and system bus speed)

That\'s a pretty weak argument.

I\'m going to the movies so I prolly won\'t be able to respond anymore to this thread today.

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It\'s all bs.  if someone posted Intel were not making chips.. mm would be like yea right etc.. It\'s just bs. AMD won\'t stop making cpus. There mad otherwise.  Every PC site would have this news if it was so.. I\'ve only seen it on 1 site.  The one posted.

MM... my 1.8ghz Xp = 1.53mhz = 1.8ghz p4. You knew that right?

MM, the REASON why they name the chipsets 1.8ghz + etc is because there on PAR with a 1.8ghz p4. Otherwise intel would look pretty stupid when a 1.53ghz AMD processor is competing with a 1.8ghz p4 not a 1.5 etc...  Think about it..

As the cache bs.. It means little all these days.. When GFX cards have there own memory and there\'s a thing called Virtual mem/paging files etc.  With the sidebus speeds if u look at there multiplier the AMD processors have higher multipliers to intels.. Mine is 133x2 (266fsb) x 11.5 etc.  P4s are around 100x4 x whatever.  Amd are releasing new processors with bigger FSBs anyway.

I want to buy a Northbridge fan.. I wanna overclock my fsb and get atleast a 2.1ghz speeds.

like i said sammy, i wish soully knew wtf he was talking about

anyways, the reason (in case you didnt know) that lower clocked AMD chips can compete with higher clocked intel ships is a process called threading.  its the basis of thier architecture, and AMD hasnt found a way around the heat defect (strong argument)

intel has a new trick of thier sleeves for thier 3ghz+ line
its called hyper-threading

look it up, it may suprise you

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I have a question for u.... are u using the standard sink/fan or did u buy a new one?

As for there heat problem.. They are making new boards and cpus with thermal diodes. They do the exact same thing intels do..  Hotter they get less power supplied. but that also brings the problem of the cpu underclocking itself as it gets hotter. I\'ve had people bring in P4s that run like my old celeron 500. Mainly because they were getting to hot and the diode kicks in.   I think personaly they should set up mbs to shut off comps when they get too hot. I\'ve only seen it on amd boards. Simple idea that will help people figure out why there comps run so slow etc.

Hyper threading is not for desktop market. As far as i know intel only plan to use it in Workstation/servers.. P4s are ALREADY able to use it.. but there\'s no bios option etc.  Seems a waste to me..

Why do they leave it disabled?  does it shorten the life of the processor or something?

Also i\'ve heard AMD will be making hammer processors with DUAL CORES which will kill hyper threading..

dual cores?  something new to the market?

:rolleyes:


my p4 (OC\'d to 2.2) never hits over 90 F with stock cooler
cant push the mobo any farther, but the chip begs for more

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Get a new MB.. It\'ll never get of 90f because the diode doesn\'t allow it. Example.. when you go up to 91, it\'ll drop alittle power to get back to 90.. when it gets to 92, it\'ll drop alittle more then that etc..  I\'m not sure what the threashold is on a p4 processor or when the diode kicks in. But when it does get to a certain temp it\'ll never get hotter.
I never said Dual cores are new, i said it\'ll kill hyper threading. New or not.

Actually Souly, Hyper-Threading will be introduced (or rather enabled) on desktop CPUs with the 3.06 GHz Pentium 4.

It\'s quite nice too.

*wants a 3+ GHz PC*