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Ok, so the Getaway fuc*ing rules.
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2002, 08:46:39 AM »
^^ agrees.
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« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2002, 09:18:00 AM »
I found it easier to ditch the Alfa Romeo for something else, the Alfa has too much oversteer.

Also if you are bleeding heavily, stand next to a wall and the character will lean on it and get healed.

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« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2002, 10:12:46 AM »
yeah, I did that, but suddenly when I was quite far into the demo, it suddenly ended.. perhaps there\'s some timelimit.. :(

Overall, I must say I\'m really impressed by what Team Soho managed to create. The hype was enourm and it\'s good to see this game actually being a worthy purchase.

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« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2002, 01:36:33 PM »
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why stretch it? No black borders.. :) You can even put it on widescreen mode if you\'ve got a 16:9 TV....

I got the demo today.. it\'s a blast! :) The detail is amazing and the framerate is constant most of the time, although there are a few occasions when the engine has some trouble. I hope they\'ll resolve this by the 12th of december! The language is pretty cool too, just the controls need to get used to. I love the music work.. reminds me more of playing a movie than a game.

Need to play a bit more... I might be back with some more impressions. :)


i don\'t what kind of tv you connect your ps2 to your tv, your tv might overscan higher than mine.  my tv only overscan 3% and i am really happy.  Even playing Tekken Tag Tournament, I can see a slight black borders around all four corners.  People with 6% overscan or higher probably didn\'t notice and it might cropped off the text on top of the screen so some might use the screen centering to pull down the screen until they can read the text.  Even Gran Turismo 3 i play, i can see borders on all four corners.  FFX is the worst, probably the developer was connect the ps2 to a computer monitor or something, they didn\'t know their screen was badly underscan when connect to a tv (huge borders on all four edges especially top and bottom).  sorry i kinda going into many detail about it.
just wonder if future ps2 games will have size adjusting.

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« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2002, 01:39:34 PM »
just saw the magtoday when out, must buy it tomorrow, good to see positive things about it, been waiting long enough
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« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2002, 01:52:45 PM »
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i don\'t what kind of tv you connect your ps2 to your tv, your tv might overscan higher than mine.  my tv only overscan 3% and i am really happy.  Even playing Tekken Tag Tournament, I can see a slight black borders around all four corners.  People with 6% overscan or higher probably didn\'t notice and it might cropped off the text on top of the screen so some might use the screen centering to pull down the screen until they can read the text.  Even Gran Turismo 3 i play, i can see borders on all four corners.  FFX is the worst, probably the developer was connect the ps2 to a computer monitor or something, they didn\'t know their screen was badly underscan when connect to a tv (huge borders on all four edges especially top and bottom).  sorry i kinda going into many detail about it.
just wonder if future ps2 games will have size adjusting.


err what? :confused:
I didn\'t understand much of your post... not any game I know of has borders on the side. If you do have these, then I guess there\'s something up with your tv. Perhap the screen type is not adjusted probably (set to widescreen in 4:3 games etc).

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« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2002, 03:52:56 PM »
Seven,
did you ever play FFX on ps2 before?
then you kinda know what i mean.  Your TV maybe be overscanning.  overscanning mean the image was over stretch.  it was stretch bigger than the tv screen can handle.  a 10% overscan tv mean the tv was stretch over 10% bigger than the tv screen.  that 10% was cropped off from the tv.  So, when you watch broadcast, dvd movie, videotapes, you will be missing 10% of the screen from all four corners.

But videogames is different, they are underscan.  a perfect 0% overscan tv, you will see black borders from an underscan image.
let say the game was 10% underscan, the tv was 5% overscan.  you will see about 5% black borders on all four edges of the tv.  it might be another additonal 1% - 2% more or less overscan/ and underscan because tube tv geometry is not perfect.  that is really the case with curve screen tv.
i might be confusing you.
let say if the game was 7% underscan, the tv was 10% overscan.  you will not notice any borders because the tv overscan about 3% more than the game image.
the most obvious i can think of why programmer usually underscan the image have to do that most tv are usually 10% overscan and maybe higher.  they don\'t want the game to lose any image from the tv, otherwise you will have difficult reading text as it will be cut off from an overscan tv.  so they underscan the game about 5% to 10%.  A really rare game i seen like FFX, underscan about 15% on top and bottom of the screen.  Which is really bad.
if you are still confuse, my english writing and speaking skill is not that good.  whoever know what the heck i am saying can summarize better about what i said.
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« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2002, 04:03:53 PM »
also, dvd movies, video tapes, broadcast are all are all scan at 0%.
My TV is about 3% overscan on all sides (couldn\'t get it to go any lower without getting a slight black borders since the geometry of the image is not perfectly straight and flat).  So, whenever i watch a DVD movie say spiderman, i will lose about 3% of the image because it was overscan and cropped off from the screen.
But it doesn\'t bother me as i am quite happy with 3% overscan.  nearly most out of the box default tv overscan at 10% and more and some people have to underscan it with a remote control.

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« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2002, 04:09:55 PM »
Slightly off the topic, what else is on the OPS2M UK Magazine dvd?
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« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2002, 04:13:29 PM »
i heard that plasma TV use some sort of cell and the pixel is truly perfectly square, there won\'t be any geometry distortion or color convergence problem.  So plasma TV will have no problem getting to a perfect 0 % scan.  and if you are watching over the air broadcast or any dvd movies, you will see 100% of the image on screen. yep, all the image will be there since there won\'t be any over/underscan problem.
But plasma is sensitive to screen burn in than tube tv.
And if you play video games via plasma tv, you will be surprise to see noticeable black borders on all sides of the screen as the videogames is underscan.
sorry if i confuse anybody.

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« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2002, 02:42:25 AM »
I still don\'t get what this has to do with my tv. The borders are due to movies/games having different resolution or ratios. DVD movies often have a format of 1.85:1  (I would have to check the exact figures) which means that the width is alsmost double the hight. The TV\'s that they sell here though have a ratio 16:9 which means that you will have a slight border at the top and bottom of the screen. Games (as in FFX) which weren\'t converted from NTSC to PAL very well have the same resolution (a good conversion would let PAL have a high res). Because NTSC has viewer verticle lines, a PAL TV will show black borders on the top and bottom (making up for those extra lines the NTSC format misses).

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« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2002, 03:03:20 AM »
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Slightly off the topic, what else is on the OPS2M UK Magazine dvd?


Playable demos of :

THE GETAWAY!!!!!!!!!!! (of course)

Vrally3

Treasure Planet

MX Superfly

Battle Engine Aquila

Videos of :

Micro Machines

Big Mutha Truckers:laughing:

Defender

MK: DA

Spyro: Enter the Dragonfly.

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« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2002, 09:44:14 AM »
When\'s the official release date here in Florida?  Anyone know?

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« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2002, 09:50:55 AM »
I believe it\'s January for you USA\'ans.  For once those of us in European territories get it first!

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« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2002, 01:09:37 PM »
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I still don\'t get what this has to do with my tv. The borders are due to movies/games having different resolution or ratios. DVD movies often have a format of 1.85:1  (I would have to check the exact figures) which means that the width is alsmost double the hight. The TV\'s that they sell here though have a ratio 16:9 which means that you will have a slight border at the top and bottom of the screen. Games (as in FFX) which weren\'t converted from NTSC to PAL very well have the same resolution (a good conversion would let PAL have a high res). Because NTSC has viewer verticle lines, a PAL TV will show black borders on the top and bottom (making up for those extra lines the NTSC format misses).


hit myself on the head.  Ahhh!!!!!!  I have NTSC version of FFX.  I live in America.  There are borders on FFX when i play it on my tv.  there is like half an inch border on left and right sides.  over an inch borders on top and bottom of my 21" TV.  It\'s NTSC version.  it make PAL version even worst because the borders on PAL is bigger dued to PAL have higher resolution and FFX didn\'t increase any resolution for PAL.

It have nothing to do with 16 x9 or 4 x 3.  i know film movies are widescreen, like 1.85:1 or 2.35:1.  But i am not talking about that.  I am talking about noticable borders on my video games.

 

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