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« Reply #75 on: December 08, 2002, 05:43:55 PM »
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Even the N64 wasn\'t that much of a competitor. It started out with strong sells, but then the game droughts took their toll. Microsoft on the other hand has to compete with... well... Sony who has already had a year out of the gate no less. There is simply no comparison.


Yes of course, but there was still Saturn which was very competitive at the time. But you\'re right, two different times, as it is clear that the industry has grown much larger since then also. But I still see Microsoft as a bad influence, although I don\'t mind them as they are giving the industry the necessary spice to keep \'em all competitive. :)

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« Reply #76 on: December 09, 2002, 12:19:47 AM »
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       The only way I see this changing is if

consoles become upgradable (giving it a lifespan far beyond 5 years).

If this happens, which I think is highly unlikey, then we may see a similar advancement as in the PC industry we all should know so well. Now, I don\'t think this will happen because consumers wouldn\'t want that, as this sets us apart with "inferiour" PC gaming.



It goes further than just DirectX. Sony is becoming a threat to the PC market not just because of superiour gaming, but because they are investing in making a TV into a consumer friendly PC environment. The arguement "why pay more for a PC if you can do the same on your TV?" may become reality sometime in the future.
 


Very interesting way of looking at it. Your vision is good. Just to confirm a couple of things however. All the similar elements are here.

Consoles that can be upgraded like a PC. Consoles that can make TV a friendly PC enviroment that PCs can do now. Why pay more for a PC? Have you seen some of the prices for a good PC lately? Who is to say these new consoles would be any cheaper to upgrade to full PC funcionality?

Inferior Gaming? I think you underestimate the power of a super gaming rig. If it were possible to nail a moving target for developers you would see some games that would blow anything away out now.

What you are getting now is games that can run on the slowest system. Look how easy it is to port any console game to PC and it looks as good or better. I would dare say the opposite. PC gaming has become more popular because of the new consoles. Nobody ever talked about PC gaming as much as they do now.

And now with the new media oriented PCs(OS) and TV-PC monitors avaliable  your vision is taking roots.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2002, 12:33:29 AM by jiggs »
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« Reply #77 on: December 09, 2002, 04:58:46 AM »
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Consoles that can be upgraded like a PC. Consoles that can make TV a friendly PC enviroment that PCs can do now. Why pay more for a PC? Have you seen some of the prices for a good PC lately? Who is to say these new consoles would be any cheaper to upgrade to full PC funcionality?


well, I wasn\'t exactly refering to peripheral upgrades, but system design upgrades for instance. On the PC the need of buying the newest graphicscard to play the newest game is rather expensive and a waste if you look at what\'s achievable on a dedicated architecture. Also, consoles are being sold at a loosing price and to stay competitive, I don\'t see Sony or any other company willing to try a price-tag of over $300 USD. In 2000, try finding a PC that had similar specs + a monitor with a NTSC/PAL output (we wouldn\'t want to add price by adding a monitor). If you look at it more closely, you\'ll see that there wasn\'t any consumer based PC at the time that could have competed with the PS2\'s performance (tapped or not tapped).

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Inferior Gaming? I think you underestimate the power of a super gaming rig. If it were possible to nail a moving target for developers you would see some games that would blow anything away out now.


As you quoted correctly, I was refering to gaming, not graphics or anything else. With inferiour I mean costs involved of buying inefficiant/expensive upgrades, installing process, often crashes, bugs, lagging framerates at times, driver problems etc. Yes, it is inferiour compared to a plug & play console. No added cost, just insert disc and you\'ll find yourself playing seconds later.

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What you are getting now is games that can run on the slowest system. Look how easy it is to port any console game to PC and it looks as good or better. I would dare say the opposite. PC gaming has become more popular because of the new consoles. Nobody ever talked about PC gaming as much as they do now.


PC gaming might have grown, but compared to the console industry, it\'s tiny small. Besides, what I was refering to goes beyond just playing games. I am talking about Sony\'s clear plans of delving into the settop boxes area. Have an entertainment system hooked up to your TV that enables internet browsing, email, simple wordprocessing. Beyond that, you\'d have a system that can communicate with other electronics such as HiFi system, Digital video cameras etc. Sony had a lot planned for PS2 already but as the market isn\'t ready, I guess we\'ll see something like this later. Why do you think Microsoft jumped into this market? Sure DirectX is an arguement, but with a settop box retailing at a much lower cost and able to run what is a casual consumers most frequantly used programs without the PC typical hassles of installing, bugs etc - I think it\'s a worthy offer. Of course for this to happen, TVs need to reach HDTV status or else this plan would already fail on resolutions alone. We\'ll see though what the future will bring.

PS. Another reason why PC gaming is inferiour, is the price that you pay for new graphic cards every 6 months. If the PC architecture was somewhat better and had less bottlenecks, you wouldn\'t have to upgrade every 6 months. Unfortunately, the PC is very bottlenecked and therefore the price to upgrade will always be higher than what you could achieve by designing a new system that\'s good for one thing: gaming.

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« Reply #78 on: December 09, 2002, 06:43:27 AM »
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If you consider though that Splinter Cell runs at half the framerate... doesn\'t seem that impressive anymore, does it? :)


This game didn\'t impress me at all.  When I can see a crappy framerate like this on the advertisments, There\'s no way I can buy into it.  What is the games framerate?  I looks like 15 on th ecommercial ;)

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Great discussion seven...
« Reply #79 on: December 09, 2002, 04:44:05 PM »
I guess we will not fully agree on all points and you make some valid ones.

In the long run I would like to see PCs remain PCs and consoles remain consoles. Both have thier advantages. Btw its not necessary to upgrade your vid-card every six months thats just for the speed freaks most games cant touch high-end vid cards now.
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« Reply #80 on: December 09, 2002, 08:50:58 PM »
since some of you think sony is becoming a monopoly and buys out companies, could you list these companies for me? thanks.

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« Reply #81 on: December 09, 2002, 09:13:11 PM »
Columbia records, columbia pictures, Epic, Tristar, Naughty Dog, Red Zone, CBS Records, still looking....

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« Reply #82 on: December 10, 2002, 04:15:57 AM »
I think he was refering to "monopoly" within the gaming industry.. ;)

The only ones I know of are:

# Naughty Dog
# Psygnosis (now named SCE Liverpool)

I\'m sure there are a few more, but none of real significance. These developers were Sony exclusive even before their takeover. Naughty Dog even wanted to belong to SCE.

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I guess we will not fully agree on all points and you make some valid ones.

In the long run I would like to see PCs remain PCs and consoles remain consoles. Both have thier advantages. Btw its not necessary to upgrade your vid-card every six months thats just for the speed freaks most games cant touch high-end vid cards now.


Well, I guess I was exaggerating just a little... :D Anyway, I guess we\'ll just have to see what the future brings...

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« Reply #83 on: December 10, 2002, 05:05:55 AM »
MS bought: Rare and Bungie. Both wanted to be bought as well, or MS wouldn\'t own them. And Psygnosis was not exclusive until they were owned. They made Discworld and a wipeout on Saturn and wipeout 64. I\'m sure there are more. Sony\'s hands are no cleaner than MS\'s.

Oh, and Splinter Cell is being downgraded for PS2, so if you aren\'t impressed, you must really be unimpressed with every PS2 game. SC kicks ass, the fanboys who want to exaggerate non-issues with the game can suck it.

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« Reply #84 on: December 10, 2002, 05:08:45 AM »
:rolleyes:

oh, and :rolleyes:
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« Reply #85 on: December 10, 2002, 05:12:37 AM »
I don\'t expect you to be any less a sheeple fanboy than you were before. I forgive you.

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« Reply #86 on: December 10, 2002, 05:23:04 AM »
fanboy?  

listen kid, god forbid you might have learned something in yer absence

this never became a playground for you in case u need reminded

<---- sega whore (please get it right)

and wtf is sheeple?
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« Reply #87 on: December 10, 2002, 05:37:52 AM »
If you were a Sega whore, you\'d be on a Xbox forum.

Sheeple is you. :)

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« Reply #88 on: December 10, 2002, 05:40:40 AM »
hmmm, so we make up words to try and  insult people?

xbox forum?  like teamxbox?  *shudder*
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« Reply #89 on: December 10, 2002, 05:49:18 AM »
Well, from the quality of posts I remember, and the quality of posts I\'ve seen in the last 24 hours, TXB isn\'t that bad. At least there are more posts to reply to regularly.

And no, I didn\'t create the word Sheeple. I wish I had though... I\'d be rich I tells you, rich!

 

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