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Offline GigaShadow
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« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2002, 06:55:10 AM »
Is it me or does anyone else thinks ooseven has had a wee bit too much to drink when he posts sometimes ;)
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« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2002, 06:55:16 AM »
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Now come on ooseven, there is no need for that kind of attitude.  I know you don\'t particularly like the US, but there is no need to belittle us Americans who do happen to love our country.


I am not a big fan of patriotism ,for me it just ONE step away from Extremism.

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« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2002, 07:11:25 AM »
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Hey Giga,

I have to recruit you in my army. I go to some other boards (not gaming) and I have to deal with a lot of lefties. They seem to be generally good people, but as far as I am concerned they live on Pluto. I\'m sure they say the same about me. :)

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PM me and let me know - most of my day at work  consists of this sort of thing anyway. :snore:
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« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2002, 08:43:00 AM »
I too am sick of hearing this BS from some US citizens who say "I guess they don\'t like us because they\'re jealous."  How remarkably self centered and egocentric is that?  People have all sorts of theories about why the world hates us, and I find the pundits and columnists theories are usually the furthest from reality.  I think it\'s pretty simple.

The world is turning into an enormous corporate plutocracy.  If things keep going as they are, eventually everyone on Earth will be spoon-fed the same monoculture where ever they are.  From food to entertainment to postal service, language, and the rule of law, it\'s going to be the same everywhere because that\'s the way it\'s most profitable and convenient for the corporations.  It may be hard to believe now, but consider what can happen in the next 200-300 years.  It\'s actually inevitable.  

Of course for this to happen, that means the old cultural elements have to be absorbed or destroyed.  I think people in other parts of the world instinctively sense this happening when they see Britney Spears on tv, or Starbucks on the corner.  They subconsciously rebel against it, and the United States is the target for their hatred.  The strange thing is that we Americans are as much victims of it as the rest of you.  In fact we\'re worse off because the process is much further along in the US than it is in Europe or elsewhere.  Just look at any rapidly growing city in the US, like Phoenix AZ and you\'ll see that all the newly developed areas are nothing but prefabricated corporate consumption generation and product distribution machines.  The only way to feel like you\'re in a unique place in the United States is by going to an older city, or staying away from cities altogether.

Well, our Foreign Policy sucks too, but I think it\'s our cultural imperialism that the world really hates.  Sorry, guys.  I wish I could fire that proton torpedo into the deathstar for everyone, but there ain\'t no exhaust port on this one.  :(
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« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2002, 08:53:49 AM »
if it wasnt for america, ooseven would be eating leber wurst and krout for dinner everynight, no?

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« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2002, 08:54:47 AM »
I believe the general consensus as to why a lot of people may look down on America is purely the egocentric attitude of the nation, shown in comments such as what Ace put earlier.

But that\'s much more general, Coredweller, you\'re probably more correct on a more extreme level.

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« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2002, 09:02:46 AM »
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if it wasnt for america, ooseven would be eating leber wurst and krout for dinner everynight, no?

:)


It would probably be a step up from the hagas he eats now :D
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« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2002, 09:03:47 AM »
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if it wasnt for america, ooseven would be eating leber wurst and krout for dinner everynight, no?

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Without America, there wouldn\'t be alot of things. Such as fast computers (hey M$ was good for somethi.......wait, they don\'t make computer ;) ), England, France and most, if not all of Europe will be speaking German right now. We saved Europes ass in WWI and WWII. Without it, Europe would have lost. That\'s what I find funny. All these countries hate us be we saved them from being destroyed or taken over. Our men died for them and that\'s the thanks we get?
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« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2002, 09:05:01 AM »
Hey,

I\'m proud of my country. Do we have problems? Yes! Do we do everything right? No! Do we do a lot of good. Yes!

I don\'t sit here in the land of oz and think everything is peachy. But I also don\'t sit here bashing my head in because I have some ongoing hatred for my country. There is a lot of America bashing going on here and abroad and I am not happy about it.

If you want to list all the things a country has done wrong in the past then we will all be on that list.

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« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2002, 09:09:25 AM »
Exactly Ace - a fair amount of the worlds problems can be attributed to British Colonialism alone in the Middle East and Africa.
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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2002, 09:10:13 AM »
I wonder if people would hate the US more if they suddenly stopped helping other nations out?

I think Isolationism might be a good thing right now. Leave the world alone, Uncle Sam, they\'ll be fine. AIDS in Africa? Why bother with them? We got AIDS here! Food for starving nations? No, less for them, more for us I say.

If the World really hates the US, then I think we need an American leader that could care less about them and just shut them out. Although....I think there is one nation we can not afford to NOT help out - Russia. I think they need to be built up again so they can use their less diplomatic ways of dealing with terrorism.

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« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2002, 09:10:44 AM »
Agreed Ace. I too love my country. I love it so much, I\'m willing to give my life in the next war to defend it. Hell, I\'m thinking about recruiting in the Air Force as my career. I\'m willing to sacrifice everything for this country. It hurts me to see someone hate it just because of our beliefs, customs and the way we do things. I hate the way people bash us for those things. We could bash England, France and Russia for their customs and the way they run their countries the same way they bash us. I don\'t attack other countries because of the way they do things because I respect their beliefs, their customs and their ways of handling problems.
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« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2002, 09:12:23 AM »
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if it wasnt for america, ooseven would be eating leber wurst and krout for dinner everynight, no?

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oh God not this old chestnut again :rolleyes:

look we wouldn\'t of lost WW2 with out the US,but  it would of taken longer for the war to reach its Eventual conclusion.

Ok with out the US the war could have lasted 3 to 5 years more

But it would have also saw the Russians capture Berlin and indeed Germany FIRST.

And with a reunified Germany under Communisim were would the cold war end ? :rolleyes:
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« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2002, 09:16:52 AM »
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if it wasnt for america, ooseven would be eating leber wurst and krout for dinner everynight, no?

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No, he would be eating caviar and he would be drinking vodka instead of beer ;)

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« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2002, 09:17:08 AM »
No. If the Germans were able to put more soldiers on the Eastern Front and less on the Western Front (they shouldn\'t worry too much about a British invasion - especially from Monty), Russia would have gone for a truce.
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