Popularity of the US around the world

[Titan]

I\'d curse them off in English . French used to be a good subject for me in school until I got this French teacher that is like a friggin communist.

[Titan]

Originally posted by mjps21983
I was born in Germany and went back when I was five until I was 8, so I\'ve lived outside of the U.S. for a total of 6 years long enough for you???

I\'m half German. MY family came here in like 1910 or something. I enjoy learning about my German heritage. Actually, I enjoy learning history period. Its my favorite subject this year, if I stop slacking off

Originally posted by mjps21983
I was born in Germany and went back when I was five until I was 8, so I\'ve lived outside of the U.S. for a total of 6 years long enough for you???

Yes.  And your opinions reflected in your previous post suggest a different point of view from the other American posters here.  I think living outside of the US is a worthwhile experience that WILL change your views on our role in the world.  The US is too insular, and too many hyper patriotic nationalistic opinions are passed around like a feedback loop.  Also, I think living as a child on a US military base a foreign country does not qualify.  I\'ve been to one of those bases in Germany, and it was just like a miniature USA.

By the way, Titan.  I think you should consider living in a foreign country and getting to know what non-americans are like in peacetime before you volunteer to go and kill them for the US government.  I\'m not saying that isn\'t sometimes needed, I\'m just saying that a lot of young men did the same thing in the late 60\'s and rushed off to Vietnam without asking any questions.  Many later changed their gung-ho outlook.  I was a little disturbed by your statements like "I too love my country. I love it so much, I\'m willing to give my life in the next war to defend it. " without mentioning any other conditions that need to be met.  (Like it being a just war, with meaningful goal)

Originally posted by Titan


Actually, we wouldn\'t be speaking Japanese. The only reason the US got into the war was because we were bombed and it was a wake up call that the Nazi\'s were going to get Europe and go after us. That\'s why. As for the two nukes dropped on japan, they weren\'t nukes.  

thats complete and total BullSh!t

Japan was already on its knees before the USAF (THE home of many "great"` Cockups) dropped Nuke\'s on to Citys filled with Civilians

i\'ll do this huge so that you can understand it

Civilians are NOT Combatants

and as a result the United States is the only Country in the World history (to date :rolleyes:)to use Nuclear weapons in a act of aggretion.

FFS it makes me laugh when i here US Advisors say “it would be a nightmare if Saddam developed nukes.. he might use them to wipe out a city or 2”

Ah people in Glass houses :rolleyes:  


anyway BACK on Topic
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and on the subject of Weapons of mass Destruction

the US has use more Questionable weapons through conflicts than most rouge states put together

A list the Taliban would be proud to say they used, Unfortunately this hall o shame is all Uncle Sam’s Doing

• 2 H bombs on Civilian targets
• The use of the skin eating Agent orange
• Napam (to many uses to count .. )
• Depleted Uranium shells (kill your enemy and then Pollute his homeland with radiation for the next 1.5 million years)
• The Development and depoloyment of the "Dasiy Cutter" (take out units...villages...F%^&A weapon that suffocates and then  vaporises anyone caught in its considerable blast range including civilians)
• Not a weapon but a common USAF practice Friendly Fire and the follow up denial and never apologising to the victums family
  

and maybe that will answer your original question of  "why do people hate us"

[Titan]

I\'ve been brainwashed . Actually, I\'m not just going into the military to kill people (which isn\'t the role of the military). I\'m giving back to my country which has given so much to me. People are taking that for granted. I will be doing what I\'ve wanted to since I was little. I\'ve always wanted to fly and this will give me a free education about aviation and will do what I\'d love. Plus, everything the military gives you is pure profit. The majority of bills are payed for by the government so everything is profit which is quite a bit (depending on rank). So far, the military of the US isn\'t just about killing people, they are really trying to defend their country. War is a last resort. We aren\'t really at war with Iraq yet. They fire on us so we fire at them in retalliation. We don\'t bomb civilians, we only bomb military targets.

Originally posted by ooseven

• 2 H bombs on Civilian targets
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Firebombs are almost worse. Between 500 000 - 700 000 civilians were killed in the firebomb bombings.
In one raid the firebombs killed cirka 100 000 civilians in Tokyo (even the people seeking cover in the river were killed because the water started boiling)

But also Germany and Brittan used firebombs on each other, but the Americans did low altitude bombings so they would not miss the buildings.

. . . and our military has been used for peace keeping as well. Sometimes to the point of stretching our ability to fight.

By the way, when you fight a war the idea is to win.  

Does that shock some of of you?

Ace

[Titan]

Originally posted by ooseven


thats complete and total BullSh!t

Japan was already on its knees before the USAF (THE home of many "great"` Cockups) dropped Nuke\'s on to Citys filled with Civilians

i\'ll do this huge so that you can understand it

Civilians are NOT Combatants

and as a result the United States is the only Country in the World history (to date :rolleyes:)to use Nuclear weapons in a act of aggretion.

FFS it makes me laugh when i here US Advisors say “it would be a nightmare if Saddam developed nukes.. he might use them to wipe out a city or 2”

Ah people in Glass houses :rolleyes:  


anyway BACK on Topic
-----------------------------

and on the subject of Weapons of mass Destruction

the US has use more Questionable weapons through conflicts than most rouge states put together

A list the Taliban would be proud to say they used, Unfortunately this hall o shame is all Uncle Sam’s Doing

• 2 H bombs on Civilian targets
• The use of the skin eating Agent orange
• Napam (to many uses to count .. )
• Depleted Uranium shells (kill your enemy and then Pollute his homeland with radiation for the next 1.5 million years)
• The Development and depoloyment of the "Dasiy Cutter" (take out units...villages...F%^&A weapon that suffocates and then  vaporises anyone caught in its considerable blast range including civilians)
• Not a weapon but a common USAF practice Friendly Fire and the follow up denial and never apologising to the victums family
  

and maybe that will answer your original question of  "why do people hate us" [/B]

If we didn\'t drop those ATOM BOMBS (NOT H bombs and NOT nuclear. Why can\'t you understand this?) on the targets, the war\'s outcome would be different. I haven\'t studied what the targets and reasons were for dropping the two ATOM BOMBS so don\'t bash me onit.

We don\'t use chemical weapons anymore. Actually there is a treaty that says that we can\'t. It was signed by the leaders of all the nations that had chem. weapons during WWI. Yes we have them but we won\'t use them. Why do we have thousands of nuclear warheads? Are we going to use them all? No.

Napalm is a kind of weapon that kills massive amounts of enemy troops. The reason we use this is because its just like firing an artillary shell from a Howitzer. Same reason.

No comment on why we use uranium shells. Like before, its just like firing an artillary shell. We don\'t even use them much anymore.

Never heard of the Daisy Cutter but will comment on the killing civilians. In war, civilians will get killed. There is no way to avoid it. It happens.

I\'m not saying our government is perfect. You are making us Americans sound like we are saying that it\'s perfect. Even Bush will admit that we have our share of problems. We make mistakes, just like England, France, Germany and Russia. ooseven, have you ever been to America? Do you know anything about America besides our mistakes we have made in modern artillary and warfare? I\'m getting from what I\'m reading that you know jack shit about what our country is really like.

Originally posted by Titan
We don\'t bomb civilians, we only bomb military targets.

Since when has Uncle sam and adopted that policy ?


I mean the widely known sick joke at the time of the Gulf war  about the USAF goes something like

Q ”how do you get the USAF to hit a target ?”

A “paint a red cross on the roof or "stupidly" look like a Allied unit”

Q ”how do you get the USAF to NOT hit a target ?”

A “have a 50 foot sing pointing to the target with the words (THIS IS A ENEMY TARGET) in 20 foot letters”


i say this because it was the jokes that started around the gulf war when 2 A10 Tank killers attacked 2 Royal mariens APC which they "mistaken for Iraqi main Battle tanks even though

• The British APC\'s were clearly marked as Allies
• There position and route was provided by British Staff to USAF intel
• The "browdcasted a Friendly" signal
• They were 50 miles from action and advanceing at flank speed towards Iraqi positions
• The look nothing like a Iraqi main battle Tank
• The F%^&ing A10\'s were only 200 feet above ground
• the A10\'s were Equippedwith the lates Electronic equipment that made the job of "target" ID all the easyer
• the A10\'s and British APC were no were near any action..
• The A10\'s were not fired appon during the incident
• The Weather conditons were perfect at thje time and it was daylight (no Fog ..or poor light ect)
• the APC didn\'t not stray from common battle practice ..in other

 words they were not behaving Erratically.

• The A10\'s even performed CLOSE a fly past before they open fired.

And as for civilian targets how about that USAF bombing raid on the wedding in Afghanistan ?


With over 100 dead

[Titan]

It was a mistarget. That or I believe that there was some kind of military officer there and we got rid of him. Why cant\' you realize that pilots aren\'t always accurate when they bomb. They do miss. In war, CIVILIANS DO DIE. Like Ace said, when you are in war, you don\'t really care about the repercussions of the weapon you use until the war is over. You just want to try and win. "Fight now, ask questions later."

As one of my favorite radio hosts (name withheld so the attacks are at a minimum) often says: The idea of war is to kill more people (hopefully military) and break more things of the opposition.

Ace

[Titan]

^^^^ True dat. I have to agree with what Ace said. War isn\'t just for military targets but civilians do and will get caught up. Just like in WWII. The Jewish citizens were exterminated by the Nazis.

Originally posted by Titan
It was a mistarget. That or I believe that there was some kind of military officer there and we got rid of him. Why cant\' you realize that pilots aren\'t always accurate when they bomb. They do miss. In war, CIVILIANS DO DIE. Like Ace said, when you are in war, you don\'t really care about the repercussions of the weapon you use until the war is over. You just want to try and win. "Fight now, ask questions later."

oh F\'ingbig Whaoooo

After the incident both A10 pilots were never disciplined

Nor was there any apology to the families of the Dead BRITISH Royal Marines

Nor was there any compensation paid to the families

Nor is there any chance there will ever be an apology or compensation

Also its shocking to note that After the war the USAF performed a test with a A10 and a British APC and a captured Iraqi Main battle tank

The conditions were made to simulate that of the day

And not only that the British APC was Painted BRIGHT RED

And still the A10 Pilot was not told which was which before the test


The A10 took off and The pilot then  targeted and destroyed Painted BRIGHT RED British APC despite getting a clear ID on BOTH

it show despite a lot of technology and clames of power a simple thing as ID has tripped up the USAF for the past 12 years


anyway i am going to let off some steam

i just want to STRESS I am NOT ANti- American

i just get mad at the constant BS that we (one of your oldest Allies) have to put up with.

War is exactly that war, like they\'ve said earlier oo7 civilians will get caught up, you act like we f*cking hit these targets on purpose, how ignorant is that??? Makes me wonder what they teach in your Universities, or what ever the hell ya call them over there for History, you easily listen to too much propaganda, and bullshit your media seems to like to feed you!!! Why don\'t you read both sides of the story before you come to a conclusion, you will learn so much more by doing this. Don\'t be blind to one side and not the other!!!

Originally posted by Titan
If we didn\'t drop those ATOM BOMBS (NOT H bombs and NOT nuclear. Why can\'t you understand this?) on the targets, the war\'s outcome would be different. I haven\'t studied what the targets and reasons were for dropping the two ATOM BOMBS so don\'t bash me onit.

You might want to drop this bizarre distinction between the different types of weapons.  They are all fission devices, and they can all be classified as "nuclear," whatever the technology behind them.  The fact is that the Uranium-based atomic bomb was the best thing we had in 1945, and if we\'d had something worse, we would have used that instead.

Targeting Hiroshima and Nagasaki was done for several reasons, but not to end the war quicker or to ensure it\'s outcome.  We were seeking to test the weapons on human beings, and to demonstrate to the Russians our capability, and our willingness to use them.  The weapons could have been used in a much less densely populated area of Japan, or on an island.  The effect of giving Japan an honorable way of surrendering would have been achieved either way.