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« Reply #105 on: December 05, 2002, 02:22:54 PM »
no idea why this is my answer....but  no other country would until further damage is done
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« Reply #106 on: December 05, 2002, 02:24:41 PM »
Well, I agree with that answer.  As of right now, we are the only ones who really want this war, so it\'s our war, not the world\'s war yet.

And what\'s wrong with Italy :mad: ;)
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« Reply #107 on: December 05, 2002, 02:27:18 PM »
/me rattles his sabre....

"rattle rattle.."  ;)

Actually I think whoever said we should commit to a bit o\' isolationism was on the right track. Let\'s spend the billions upon billions of dollars we give to other countries on fixing shit around here. And Sammy, no offense meant towards Europe as a whole. Just France. F*cking smelly c*nts.... :D
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« Reply #108 on: December 05, 2002, 02:29:41 PM »
Also, we are probably the only ones to do it without a lot of casualties, due to the military training. I saw on FOX News that Saddam is supplying everyone in the country with a gun. When the US gets there, they will lay down their weapons and not even fight.
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« Reply #109 on: December 05, 2002, 02:30:43 PM »
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And what\'s wrong with Italy :mad: ;)



it kinda sucks for me to say it, im 100% italian, but i do not respect what they said about the US going to war with Iraq during Cliton\'s reign.  But i sure do love the country, so beauftiful....i highly recommed going sometime.  

i may be 100% italian but i am also a 3rd generation american
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« Reply #110 on: December 05, 2002, 02:32:38 PM »
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Also, we are probably the only ones to do it without a lot of casualties, due to the military training. I saw on FOX News that Saddam is supplying everyone in the country with a gun. When the US gets there, they will lay down their weapons and not even fight.


Saddam providing everyone in the country with a gun?  If he\'s as bad as we make him out to be, then I\'d think the people would just revolt if armed.  Sure would make things easier for us.

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it kinda sucks for me to say it, im 100% italian, but i do not respect what they said about the US going to war with Iraq during Cliton\'s reign.  But i sure do love the country, so beauftiful....i highly recommed going sometime.  

i may be 100% italian but i am also a 3rd generation american


Italians rule.

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« Reply #111 on: December 05, 2002, 02:35:57 PM »
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 I\'d think the people would just revolt if armed.  Sure would make things easier for us.



Italians rule.

/me hands square a lemon smoothie.



mmmm smmothie....

yea it sure would be great if they revolted, although i believe the majority of that country supports Saddam.  i could be wrong... and probably am.....but at least i wont be excuted for my opinion :D
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« Reply #112 on: December 05, 2002, 02:49:10 PM »
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it kinda sucks for me to say it, im 100% italian, but i do not respect what they said about the US going to war with Iraq during Cliton\'s reign.  But i sure do love the country, so beauftiful....i highly recommed going sometime.  

i may be 100% italian but i am also a 3rd generation american


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I went to Italy a couple or so years ago to do some work and I thought it was great. The food and the adult beverages and the women are all top notch.

Being 100 percent Italian myself I felt right at home. I plan on going back in the spring to see all the things I missed the first time around.

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« Reply #113 on: December 05, 2002, 02:55:52 PM »
Woo, go Italians.

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« Reply #114 on: December 05, 2002, 04:20:49 PM »
I\'m chiming in a bit late, but I still want to throw my hat into this one regardless.

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Without America, there wouldn\'t be alot of things. Such as fast computers (hey M$ was good for somethi.......wait, they don\'t make computer  ), England, France and most, if not all of Europe will be speaking German right now. We saved Europes ass in WWI and WWII. Without it, Europe would have lost. That\'s what I find funny. All these countries hate us be we saved them from being destroyed or taken over. Our men died for them and that\'s the thanks we get?


Wrong.  You think we joined WWII just to save Europe?  Let me put it this way, in a few years once all of Europe was theres, who do you think was next?  You think Africa posed a massive threat to their massive military build up?  Germany tried fighting a war on two fronts and without our intervention, it was definitely possible that Europe would have falled and Germany could have steam rolled right over Russia, joined their allies in occupying China, and then built a massive naval force to come and take the US out.  It\'s all highly possible and to assume that we did it for anyones benefit other than our own is insane.

Our men died when our best interests were realized many years after the war had started.

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Actually, we wouldn\'t be speaking Japanese. The only reason the US got into the war was because we were bombed and it was a wake up call that the Nazi\'s were going to get Europe and go after us.


Don\'t forget that we brought this entire thing upon ourselves.  We cut off Japan\'s oil supply crippling their entire country and then had a good laugh about it from hundreds of miles away believing that we were untouchable with our naval fleet at anchor.  When the life blood of a country is gone, there\'s no choice but force when there\'s a possibility that a GREAT victory could turn the possibility of victory in your favor.

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That\'s a given, but in war, especially with so many new weapons that are bent on the idea of mass killing, it\'s unavoidable.  You have to admit, for every ally we accidentally nail, we hit a thousand times more of the enemy and today there are still accidents, but there are far fewer thanks to the advances of technology.  Just think about how we used to wipe out entire platoons of troops because of a misguided mortar or napalm bomb and how much less it happens now.  The advent of the media makes the small accidents that much more massive in comparison to the propaganda released in the thirties and forties speaking of the war.

As for the two bombs on Japan, why couldn\'t the reasoning be for both possibilities?  We save troops and demontrate our strength to Russia in one fell swoop.  As to why a populated area, it\'s to show JUST how destructive it could be.  Seeing a ball of fire wipe out a tiny town is hardly as impressive as seeing that same ball of fire wipe out a massive city and kill thousands of people.  It\'s just simple cause and effect analysis, nothing more.

I love my country and I love the freedoms that we stand for and although I do believe our foreign policy is utter garbage, I still don\'t feel its my place to totaly bad mouth it when I don\'t personally do anything about it.  I don\'t vote and I don\'t participate in legal matters and I honestly don\'t care about them, but I do respect them when they deserve it.
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« Reply #115 on: December 05, 2002, 05:36:29 PM »
Even if it was necessary to bomb a populated city, why not an industrial one?  Hiroshima was a civilian city with no major contributions to the war effort at all.  I just think that a military or industrial city should have been targetted instead.
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« Reply #116 on: December 05, 2002, 06:46:40 PM »
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Don\'t forget that we brought this entire thing upon ourselves.  We cut off Japan\'s oil supply crippling their entire country and then had a good laugh about it from hundreds of miles away believing that we were untouchable with our naval fleet at anchor.  When the life blood of a country is gone, there\'s no choice but force when there\'s a possibility that a GREAT victory could turn the possibility of victory in your favor.





Oh God not another revisionist... They are everywhere!!!

The roots of the Japanese attack lie deep within cultural and institutional factors within Japan and the U. S. and in the longer term U. S. - Japanese relationship, beginning with the forced opening of Japan for mercantilist purposes by Commodore Perry, and longstanding racist attitudes on the part of both parties. Some modern historical revisionists have attempted to show that an oppressive and bullying U. S. forced Japan into a corner, where it had no choice but to fight. From the Japanese military viewpoint this is correct, since the U. S. had embargoed certain strategic goods (such as oil and scrap metal), and within a few years, Japan would have used up its reserves and been unable to strike. However, this embargo was a response to Japan\'s cruel and brutal war to seize China for the Empire.

The rest of the article can be found here:

http://www.ccdemo.info/PearlHarbor/PearlHarborDayRemembered.html

People stop posting garbage.  Do some research.  It was because of their war with China that we cut off their oil and steel.

Both of these are used for war.

Another interesting piece of information for all of you Japanese sympathizers and revisionists -

The goal of this attack was to sufficiently cripple the US Fleet so that Japan could then attack and capture the Phillipines and Indo-China and so secure access to the raw materials needed to maintain its position as a global military and economic power. This would enable Japan to further extend the empire to include Australia, New Zealand, and India (the ultimate boundaries planned for the so-called "Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere"). The prevailing belief within the Japanese military and political establishment was that eventually, with the then expected German defeat of Great Britain and Soviet Russia, the United States\' non-involvement in the European war, and Japan\'s control of the Pacific, that the world power structure would stabilize into three major spheres of influence.
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« Reply #117 on: December 05, 2002, 06:53:08 PM »
Reason for Bin Laden\'s popularity = One little middle eastern man standing up against the bully that is the U.S. = middle east loves him

The US needs to mind its own business

BTW,  they fried 200,000 civilians.  Much more then the 4,000 on 9-11.

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« Reply #118 on: December 05, 2002, 06:59:40 PM »
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BTW,  they fried 200,000 civilians.  Much more then the 4,000 on 9-11.


How can you even compare these?

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« Reply #119 on: December 05, 2002, 07:03:45 PM »
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Reason for Bin Laden\'s popularity = One little middle eastern man standing up against the bully that is the U.S. = middle east loves him

The US needs to mind its own business

BTW,  they fried 200,000 civilians.  Much more then the 4,000 on 9-11.


Ok clowd dispute this...

The use of nuclear weapons brought the war to a quick termination at a time when the defeat of Japan was assured, but expected to be at further great cost to both Japan and the Allies. That the projected costs were high was based upon the experience in taking Okinawa. The Samurai culture within the Japanese military (the "Spirit of Bushido"), dictated that dying for the Emperor was a high honor, opposed to the disgrace of any surrender. Surrender may have appeared much more horrible to the Japanese establishment than it proved to be, as they likely expected to be treated as they had treated those they had conquered. Ultimately, the decision to surrender was made by Emperor Hirohito, contrary to the wishes of the Japanese Army, and then only after the offer by the U.S that the institution of the Emperor would remain in place. It is unclear if an earlier offer of this condition would have made unnecessary the use of nuclear weapons - that is one of the great questions of history.

It not only took one bomb - but two.  You think they would have gotten the hint after the first.  Do you read clowd?  I posted something to this effect a few pages back with a source.  Also for your information the death toll was 104,000 compared to the 5 million that was the worst case scenerio had we had to invade.

By the way my young revisionist friends - who do exactly think were the good guys during World War 2?  By the way most of you sound I would swear you were all Japanese.
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