Popularity of the US around the world

Im not comparing them

Im just showing you the cycle of the world

You do bad,  expect to get bad back

Originally posted by GigaShadow


Ok clowd dispute this...

The use of nuclear weapons brought the war to a quick termination at a time when the defeat of Japan was assured, but expected to be at further great cost to both Japan and the Allies. That the projected costs were high was based upon the experience in taking Okinawa. The Samurai culture within the Japanese military (the "Spirit of Bushido"), dictated that dying for the Emperor was a high honor, opposed to the disgrace of any surrender. Surrender may have appeared much more horrible to the Japanese establishment than it proved to be, as they likely expected to be treated as they had treated those they had conquered. Ultimately, the decision to surrender was made by Emperor Hirohito, contrary to the wishes of the Japanese Army, and then only after the offer by the U.S that the institution of the Emperor would remain in place. It is unclear if an earlier offer of this condition would have made unnecessary the use of nuclear weapons - that is one of the great questions of history.

It not only took one bomb - but two.  You think they would have gotten the hint after the first.  Do you read clowd?  I posted something to this effect a few pages back with a source.  Also for your information the death toll was 104,000 compared to the 5 million that was the worst case scenerio had we had to invade.

By the way my young revisionist friends - who do exactly think were the good guys during World War 2?  By the way most of you sound I would swear you were all Japanese.

Would the U.S. surrender if one if its city\'s got hit with an A-bomb?

U.S. bombing Hiroshima was no different then Germany\'s carpet bombins of cities in Europe.  Isn\'t war suppose to be between soldiers?

4 reasons why U.S. dropped bomb

Show Russia how big and bad they are

Didnt want to not use considereing they spent oh so much money on it.

Wanted to prevent Soviets from occupying it,

Save U.S. lives.

The people Hiroshima,  what alot of them probably had nothing to do with the war and were probably hopping it to get over soon.  Only to be destroyed in a flash,.

You agree with killing civilians over certain reasons,  I agree with killing them over no reasons.

Besides,  Japan was defeated.  Eisenhower said there was no need for the bomb.

This is what you get when liberals run our school systems. It is an indoctrination into the liberal lifestyle.

I swear, I wish I could go back to school now at my age knowing what I know. It would be great to butt heads with some of my old teachers.

Ace

Originally posted by Clowd

You do bad,  expect to get bad back

True true

Wow, cool thread... Interesting read..

Originally posted by Ace
This is what you get when liberals run our school systems. It is an indoctrination into the liberal lifestyle.

I swear, I wish I could go back to school now at my age knowing what I know. It would be great to butt heads with some of my old teachers.

Ace

I do that some now  Probably not over stuff you\'d often agree with, but still.

Oh God not another revisionist... They are everywhere!!!

Hardly.  All because I didn\'t post the reason as to *why* we cut off their resources has no bearing on me being a "revisionist."  You reposted exactly what I said with a little bit extra thrown in.  Also, I don\'t agree that they were just after the Phillipines.  Consider if they actually did win the naval battle at Midway and defeated the pacific fleet -- The Phillipines would be a TINY prize in comparison to the resource rich land of the US.

Originally posted by Ryu


Hardly.  All because I didn\'t post the reason as to *why* we cut off their resources has no bearing on me being a "revisionist."  You reposted exactly what I said with a little bit extra thrown in.  Also, I don\'t agree that they were just after the Phillipines.  Consider if they actually did win the naval battle at Midway and defeated the pacific fleet -- The Phillipines would be a TINY prize in comparison to the resource rich land of the US.

Ryu read the whole thing... Australia, New Zealand, Indo China (aka Vietnam/Thailand) and India.  Also you brought up that we brought it on ourselves.  What for not aiding them in their war effort?  You think that justifies their attack on Pearl Harbor?

I think alot of people are forgetting how many of our citizens come from their countries.

Heh, if someone already brought this up, ignore it. I only read the first page

Originally posted by Clowd


U.S. bombing Hiroshima was no different then Germany\'s carpet bombins of cities in Europe.  Isn\'t war suppose to be between soldiers?

4 reasons why U.S. dropped bomb

Show Russia how big and bad they are

Didnt want to not use considereing they spent oh so much money on it.

Wanted to prevent Soviets from occupying it,

Save U.S. lives.

The people Hiroshima,  what alot of them probably had nothing to do with the war and were probably hopping it to get over soon.  Only to be destroyed in a flash,.

Besides,  Japan was defeated.  Eisenhower said there was no need for the bomb.

Clowd the last time I checked war was war... planes, missles, ships... this isn\'t the 18th century (as I stated in an earlier post on this very thread) and we don\'t line up 20 yards from one another in an open field and fire until someone loses.

Your 4 reasons... I think you have them listed backwards.  Saving US lives is the #1 reason.  Wouldn\'t you agree?  Oh wait maybe you don\'t think your own country should come before the enemy.

The people of Hiroshimi most definitely supported the war effort for Japan.  You have to be kidding me.  Were they somehow isolated from the rest of Japan during the war?

As for Eisenhower... how the hell would he know?  He was in the European theater.  I don\'t remember seeing him return to the Phillipines or coordinate plans to invade Iwo Jima.

What for not aiding them in their war effort? You think that justifies their attack on Pearl Harbor?

I\'m not talking about justification.  I\'m talking about survival.  Just tell me what the US would do if their oil supplies ran dry and no one outwardly helped us fix the problem.  You think we would just switch over to the electric car and everything would be fine?

All I\'m saying is that during war times, desperate times call for desperate measures.  For us to take such bold action against Japan and not expect any retaliation is what\'s ludicrous.  Japan did what they felt was necessary as would we.  We\'re all people and we all make choices given our environment, but I\'m wondering if you realize that.  Japan may have been our enemies, but we\'re not all that different in the long run.

Originally posted by Ryu


I\'m not talking about justification.  I\'m talking about survival.  Just tell me what the US would do if their oil supplies ran dry and no one outwardly helped us fix the problem.  You think we would just switch over to the electric car and everything would be fine?

All I\'m saying is that during war times, desperate times call for desperate measures.  For us to take such bold action against Japan and not expect any retaliation is what\'s ludicrous.  Japan did what they felt was necessary as would we.  We\'re all people and we all make choices given our environment, but I\'m wondering if you realize that.  Japan may have been our enemies, but we\'re not all that different in the long run.

I didn\'t realize the purpose of this thread was to be objective :rolleyes: I can\'t understand why some in this thread would make excuses for the Japanese during WW2... maybe Sony put a little something extra in every PS2 :rolleyes:

I predict that in 50 years - long after all the WW2 vets are gone some President will officially apologize to Japan for using the atomic bomb.  Hopefully I won\'t be around either to see it.

If Hillary ever wins, God forbid, she will apologize for everything we have ever done and some things we haven\'t done.

Ace

I didn\'t realize the purpose of this thread was to discuss Japan and WW2.  Threads don\'t have set purposes, they evolve into whatever people make them

Originally posted by Ace
If Hillary ever wins, God forbid, she will apologize for everything we have ever done and some things we haven\'t done.

Ace

See, we can agree on some things.  I absolutely hate that woman.

By \'cut off\', does he mean \'refuse to sell Japan our oil\'? If so, how is that wrong? It\'s our oil to do with as we please. Refusing to sell Japan our resources is not a valid provocation of war by any stretch of the imagination IMO.

If by \'cut off\', he meant a blockade of some sort, well, that\'s another story.