Iraq war.

[Titan]

Giga, just curious, what country do you live in? By the way you are posting, you sound as if you are from America but just curious.

Originally posted by Videoholic
I saw a documentary one time was escorted around Iraq.  He was able to talk to people and what not, but only with the escort with them.  He went to hospitals and the doctors squacked on and on abou thow they have nothing.  No prescriptions, no drugs, no equipment, and the food/drug for oil campaign wasn\'t working.

Then the escort and the dude split up for a sec and he asked a doctor some questions off to the side and he told him that they were fine.  

He then went to the drug store and bought all the drugs he wanted.  He even asked the guy behind the counter about a shortage and the dude had no clue what he was talking about.

Peace out.  Gotta go wash the Log.

Sounds like a "documentary" made to ease American\'s conscience.

"1.2 million Iraqi people, including 750,000 children below the age of five, have died due to the scarcity of food and medicine, since the commencement of UN sanctions in 1990."
UNICEF 1997, http://www.unicef.org/newsline/99pr29.htm 020619

[videoholic]

Originally posted by fastson


Sounds like a "documentary" made to ease American\'s conscience.

"1.2 million Iraqi people, including 750,000 children below the age of five, have died due to the scarcity of food and medicine, since the commencement of UN sanctions in 1990."
UNICEF 1997, http://www.unicef.org/newsline/99pr29.htm 020619

You do realize that the Iraqi\' gov\'t will attribute every single death in that country to the UN Sanctions don\'t you?

Also, if they are so bad off, then overthrow the dictator who is causing the mess.  He over threw the previous guy so obviously it can be done.

Everybody screams foul on the US until they need us to haul their chestnuts out of the fire.

Excuse me while I choke down a bottle of aspirin.

Ace

Originally posted by Videoholic


You do realize that the Iraqi\' gov\'t will attribute every single death in that country to the UN Sanctions don\'t you?

Yes I do. The propaganda works both ways.
But these numbers comes from UNICEF (United Nations International Children\'s Emergency Fund).
Its their job to bring forward believable facts like these.

Also, if they are so bad off, then overthrow the dictator who is causing the mess.  He over threw the previous guy so obviously it can be done. [/B]

Yes he did, with a little help from your government

Sure its possible..
But will they, now when a new master is standing at the door?
I heard reports that the Iraqi people (they are waging war between each other internally.. Different ethnic groups ect) are uniting under Saddam because of the American threat.

ACE: Yes, Im sure the people of Chili (among others) are thanking you

[videoholic]

http://www.unicef.org/iraq/situation/sit-north.htm

Oh and read this:
http://www.unicef.org/media/publications/malnutritionnov2002.doc
"The deteriorating trend of malnutrition among under-five children (U5C) seen throughout the 1990s has changed. As shown below, preliminary figures from a UNICEF-supported survey carried out in February 2002 show that acute and general malnutrition are now less than half the levels of 1996, while chronic malnutrition has fallen by nearly 30% during the same period "

Oh, here\' another:
http://www.unicef.org/newsline/02pr63iraq.htm
"BAGHDAD / GENEVA / NEW YORK, 21 November, 2002 - Child malnutrition rates in the south and center of Iraq have fallen to the lowest level since they peaked in 1996, according to a new survey released today by UNICEF."

I\'d go find more, there are tons of releases disputing what you wrote.

I just have to go hit the baseball with the big log.

Yes I am American... I thought everyone knew that.

[Titan]

Originally posted by fastson
Yes he did, with a little help from your government

Yes we did. We also helped Bin Laden. We created two monsters and have to erase what we did. We needed a reason to go after Saddam. If I remember right from my history class, Saddam asked us for permission to invade Kuwait. To spring a trap, we said yes and now had a reason to kill the monster. Bin Laden attacked us so thats all we needed to kill him. During the Clinton administration, I think we had a chance to kill Bin Laden but we let him get away. We created two monsters and it is now our responsibility to eliminate them. Also, we helped both because weren\'t they at war with the Soviet Union? I know we helped Bin Laden because of that but not sure of Iraq. After the war, didn\'t Saddam gain power because of such a great job as a leader?

Originally posted by Titan

 I know we helped Bin Laden because of that but not sure of Iraq.  

Iraq was helped in order to put an end to Iran, well atleast to stop the Islamic revolution which had taken place there from spreading into neighbouring countries as it would have endangered US intrests in the reigon (notably intrests involving oil).

[Titan]

Thanks for clearing that up for me Tyrant.

Originally posted by Videoholic
http://www.unicef.org/iraq/situation/sit-north.htm

Oh and read this:
http://www.unicef.org/media/publications/malnutritionnov2002.doc
"The deteriorating trend of malnutrition among under-five children (U5C) seen throughout the 1990s has changed. As shown below, preliminary figures from a UNICEF-supported survey carried out in February 2002 show that acute and general malnutrition are now less than half the levels of 1996, while chronic malnutrition has fallen by nearly 30% during the same period "

Oh, here\' another:
http://www.unicef.org/newsline/02pr63iraq.htm
"BAGHDAD / GENEVA / NEW YORK, 21 November, 2002 - Child malnutrition rates in the south and center of Iraq have fallen to the lowest level since they peaked in 1996, according to a new survey released today by UNICEF."

I\'d go find more, there are tons of releases disputing what you wrote.

I just have to go hit the baseball with the big log.

Vid: Well thats good to hear, some good news in these dull times. My numbers were a little old.
Seems some of the work to help the people of Iraq has been successful
Next on the agenda (IMO) is to put a end to the UN sanctions. They have brought almost nothing positive.


Titan: IIRC Usama was at war with the Russians. CIA trained Afghan soldiers to fight the Russians and the US helped them with weapons and money.
Sort of a indirect war.

As Tyrant said Saddam was helped to fight Iran and to get control over the oil via a US friendly/puppet government.
Both of them turned out to be miserable failures IMO, looking at the long-term objectives.

Seems like everybody wants our help, but when they are finished they always want to turn on us, we need to stop helping dictators and terrorists.

[videoholic]

Originally posted by fastson


Vid: Well thats good to hear, some good news in these dull times. My numbers were a little old.
Seems some of the work to help the people of Iraq has been successful
Next on the agenda (IMO) is to put a end to the UN sanctions. They have brought almost nothing positive.

But that\'s my point Fastson.  You never know what to believe.  If I just assumed what your quote said was true then I\'d say to myself "Shit, we are evil."

But it isn\'t true.  And so much rhetoric that comes out of that land is false.  It\'s just ridiculous.

Anyway.  Gotta go play with the boy.

Originally posted by Videoholic



But that\'s my point Fastson.  You never know what to believe.  If I just assumed what your quote said was true then I\'d say to myself "Shit, we are evil."

But it isn\'t true.  And so much rhetoric that comes out of that land is false.  It\'s just ridiculous.

Anyway.  Gotta go play with the boy.

Were my numbers false?
They reflect what it looked like in 1997.. But the situation has improved alot.. Which is very good.

I should have looked for more recent numbers, Im sorry.

"The large sample sizes -- nearly 24,000 households randomly selected from all governorates in the south and center of Iraq and 16,000 from the north -- helped to ensure that the margin of error for child mortality in both surveys was low,"

[...]
""We are happy with the quality of these surveys. They have been thoroughly reviewed by a panel of independent experts and no major problems were found with either the results or the way the surveys were conducted," "

[...]
"Ms. Bellamy also said that the surveys\' findings cannot be easily dismissed as an effort by Iraq to mobilize opposition to UN sanctions. "

Originally posted by GigaShadow


^^^^^^

This coming from a guy that lives on an island that has had the longest UN Peacekeeping mission in history and still counting!!!:rolleyes:

I dont quite get the point here:confused: