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« Reply #105 on: January 01, 2003, 02:27:12 PM »
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I dont quite get the point here:confused:


Meaning the UN has failed to resolve the problem on Cypress.  In the history of the UN, Cypress continues to be a problem right along with Korea.  Are you on the Greek side or the Turk side of the island Unicorn?
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« Reply #106 on: January 01, 2003, 02:35:55 PM »
I am on the supposed Greek side.Greek Cypriots and Turk Cypriots want to live together.

U should also know that it is Nato\'s fault for the problem in Cyprus.They tried to create the appropriate conditions for a Turkish invasion.

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« Reply #107 on: January 01, 2003, 04:46:23 PM »
Oh now your problem is NATO\'s fault... give me a break... there is too much BS in this thread.  Maybe the US should pull out of everything and see how you all fair.  Most likely you will be whining for help when some dictator invades your country.
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« Reply #108 on: January 01, 2003, 04:48:49 PM »
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Were my numbers false?
They reflect what it looked like in 1997.. But the situation has improved alot.. Which is very good.

I should have looked for more recent numbers, Im sorry.

 


I wasn\'t saying your numbers were false.  I was just saying that people tend to use the data that most represents what they want to prove.  Whether it\'s outdated or not.
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« Reply #109 on: January 01, 2003, 04:49:38 PM »
You eat turnips.

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« Reply #110 on: January 01, 2003, 05:35:54 PM »
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I wasn\'t saying your numbers were false.  I was just saying that people tend to use the data that most represents what they want to prove.  Whether it\'s outdated or not.


I get ya..
I was not trying to do that though. :)

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Maybe the US should pull out of everything and see how you all fair. Most likely you will be whining for help when some dictator invades your country.


I think most civilised nations would do fine.
But I dont think everybody should stop helping eachother, instead we should give full power to the UN when it comes to these matters. And NOT go over UN\'s heads.
UN is too weak as it is now IMO.
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« Reply #111 on: January 02, 2003, 06:53:54 AM »
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Oh now your problem is NATO\'s fault... give me a break... there is too much BS in this thread.  Maybe the US should pull out of everything and see how you all fair.  Most likely you will be whining for help when some dictator invades your country.


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US THE PEACE MAKERS YEAH RIGHT!!!You are in the US and you beleive what you see.Which is what the US wants u to see.

You dont know how Cyprus ended up like it is now.

But most importantly you dont know the true reason for the attack in Iraq.



BTW:Bush sure helped the Palestininans from the dictatorship of Israel.Oh they also helped to bring down the dictatorship in Turkiy.:rolleyes:

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« Reply #112 on: January 02, 2003, 08:25:34 AM »
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Originally posted by Unicron!


:rolleyes:

US THE PEACE MAKERS YEAH RIGHT!!!You are in the US and you beleive what you see.Which is what the US wants u to see.

You dont know how Cyprus ended up like it is now.

But most importantly you dont know the true reason for the attack in Iraq.



BTW:Bush sure helped the Palestininans from the dictatorship of Israel.Oh they also helped to bring down the dictatorship in Turkiy.:rolleyes:


I\'m sorry, what did the leader of Cyprus do to help the Palestinians from the dictatorship of Israel?

And you are right, I have no clue why Cyprus is like it is now.  Heck, I can\'t tell you a damn thing about 100\'s of tiny countries.  

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« Reply #113 on: January 02, 2003, 08:51:18 AM »
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Back to work.  Work Sucks.....


Feel my pain Vid. :D
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« Reply #114 on: January 02, 2003, 09:05:12 AM »
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:rolleyes:

US THE PEACE MAKERS YEAH RIGHT!!!You are in the US and you beleive what you see.Which is what the US wants u to see.

You dont know how Cyprus ended up like it is now.

But most importantly you dont know the true reason for the attack in Iraq.



BTW:Bush sure helped the Palestininans from the dictatorship of Israel.Oh they also helped to bring down the dictatorship in Turkiy.:rolleyes:


It seems that you are directing your hostility towards the wrong country Unicorn - regarding the Cyprus matter.  It seems Britain has been the chief opponent to the unification of the island, not the US or NATO.  We never hear of Cyprus here as the US has no interest in Cyprus or what goes on there.  So stop blaming the US and the organizations to which it belongs (ie, NATO) for your tiny countries problems.

http://www.cosmosnet.net/cyprus/history/hist13.htm

Do you really believe that the US media is run by the government?  It is far from perfect, but it is not state controlled.  Who do you think participates in UN peacekeeping missions and contributes the most the UN?  The US does.  I really have to wonder which way your TV antena is pointed - most likely to the east.  I could say you believe everything you see on the biased television you obviously watch, but I won\'t as who knows how legitimate the sources of information you get are.
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« Reply #115 on: January 02, 2003, 09:13:26 AM »
Further information to debunk Unicorn\'s assertion that NATO paved the way for a "Turkish" invasion of Cyprus.


After 1967 some hopes arose that a compromise on separate municipalities could be achieved in negotiations between Glafcos Clerides and Rauf Denktash and certainly agreement came close, but the Makarios government could not accept de jure separateness, which would have denied the principle of the unitary, if bi-communal, state. Inter-communal strife was also overshadowed during this period by a serious rift on the Greek side, between Makarios and the enosist National Front supported by the Greek junta. Makarios had now become an obstacle to enosis. An attempt was made on his life, and Grivas returned in 1971 to head a new organi- sation, EOKA-B, with Makarios, rather than the Turkish-Cypriots, in its sight. Makarios was told from Athens to dismiss his foreign minister and to regard Athens as the National Centre. Makarios rallied supporters successfully against attempts to remove him. He was still popular in Cyprus.

Matters became worse when a new junta came to power in September 1973, and there was less relief from rightist pressure than might have been expected when Grivas died suddenly in January 1974. The pressure mounted until a coup in July 1974 led by a `hammer of the Turks\' Nicos Sampson, overthrew Makarios, who managed to flee the country via a British base. For Turkey this raised the spectre of Greek control of Cyprus.


The Turkish government therefore now demanded that Greece should dismiss Sampson, withdraw all Greek officers from the island and respect the island\'s independence. The junta prevaricated. For the United States, Kissinger did not seem to be greatly disturbed by the Sampson coup and looked as if he could accept enosis. Turkish Prime Minister Ecevit\'s assertiveness in foreign policy, reinforced by his junior coalition partner strongly inclined the Turks to intervene. The British were invited to participate in military operations, under the Treaty of Guarantee, but declined. The American envoy Joseph Sisco tried unsuccessfully to persuade the Greek junta to accept Ecevit\'s conditions for a Cyprus settlement, which included Turkish-Cypriot control of a coastal region in the north and negotiations for a federal solution. The Soviet Union stood aside not wanting to see enosis, which would strengthen NATO and weaken the left in Cyprus.
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« Reply #116 on: January 02, 2003, 10:27:02 AM »
Down with the US and Kissinger that war monger.  Wait, Bush, he\'s the warmonger.  Down with Bush and all that he has done to Cyprus!!!



All kidding aside, where did you quote that from Giga?  You should put a link to back it up.
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« Reply #117 on: January 02, 2003, 11:35:41 AM »
I made it up!  Just kidding... I knew I forgot something...

http://bornova.ege.edu.tr/~ncyprus/cyp6.html
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« Reply #118 on: January 02, 2003, 01:57:10 PM »
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BTW:Bush sure helped the Palestininans from the dictatorship of Israel.Oh they also helped to bring down the dictatorship in Turkiy.:rolleyes:


Uh huh. The US is helping Palistinians. If we were helping the Palistinians, we wouldn\'t have even gotten attacked. The reason we are a prime target for terrorism by Islamic extremists is because we are helping Israel. Otherwise we would be attacked by no one.
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« Reply #119 on: January 02, 2003, 02:17:32 PM »
Here it is.. Quite close to one of the evil axis nations, hmm.. Good excuse to NUKE EM! BOOYAH.



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Anyways, Ive never been to Cyrpus.. But a few of my friends have.. They said it was a beautiful place. :)

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