Bush did it! 9-11

We, the US, do everything we can do to keep from hitting innocents. I am sure you would agree the same can not be said about the parties in question.

I don\'t believe there was wholesale bombing in Afghanistan.

War=Killing people and breaking things. The one who does it best wins.

Ace

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Why are some on here so opposed in preventing a worse situation down the road.  The sit and do nothing policy will not work - as is the case with North Korea.  I am sorry, I don\'t feel that we should give N. Korea anything in exchange for their cooperation.  I also think N. Korea is under the illusion that they are like the former USSR.  

People need to look at the long range consequences of letting these piss ant little countries develop nuclear weapons.  If we give in to Korea and let Iraq continue to develop weapons we are going to be held hostage by any other country that comes along and decides to start a nuclear program.

WHich is why sniper missions are the answer IMO. Did wonders to get rid of JFK

Remember Noriega? We didnt bomb them much if at all, but we still got the man. Course the circumstances and reasons were different, but Im not seeing why the same scenario cant be replayed.

If we are justified to go and bomb whom ever we like for whatever reasons we like. Then the terrorists were just as justified.

I just hate the "its ok as long as we do it" mentality the US tends to have.

Originally posted by Ace
We, the US, do everything we can do to keep from hitting innocents. I am sure you would agree the same can not be said about the parties in question.

I don\'t believe there was wholesale bombing in Afghanistan.

War=Killing people and breaking things. The one who does it best wins.

Ace

No, thats only what they release. Speaking a family with deep roots in all branches. The soldiers tend to do what ever they want in terms of taking over areas..buildings, strongholds and air raids.

We always WANT to hit certain targets, but often we hit those as well as many others.

You are correct, war is war and all is fair, but when you claim to be the fairest and the best it kinda puts another light on the subject IMO.

I think I would be much more at ease if the government and its citizens would just accept what we are instead of pretending to be otherwise.

Originally posted by luckee


WHich is why sniper missions are the answer IMO. Did wonders to get rid of JFK

Remember Noriega? We didnt bomb them much if at all, but we still got the man. Course the circumstances and reasons were different, but Im not seeing why the same scenario cant be replayed.

If we are justified to go and bomb whom ever we like for whatever reasons we like. Then the terrorists were just as justified.

I just hate the "its ok as long as we do it" mentality the US tends to have.

You have a valid question Luckee, but it seems Saddam is more elusive than was originally thought.  

On the subject of Afghanistan, there were not that many civilian casualties.  No one has been bombed yet, and if the bombing does start, Iraq can only blame themselves for innocent loss of life.  By purchasing jammers and building his military compounds in the middle of civilian populations is in effect using human shields.  

Do you think that if the Iraqi\'s were attacking and we were hiding behind civilians that they would give that any consideration?  Not that two wrongs make a right, but the point I am trying to make here is that Saddam knows exactly what he is doing and what our overall policy is of trying to limit the casualties of non combatents.  By him using people as shields shows what little value he has for human life.

What I don\'t like is how some Americans so easily forget.

9/11 was not that long ago yet here we are discussing why we had to bomb Afghanistan and the Taliban.

Iraq has a problem because of it\'s refusal to follow UN resolutions. Even that limp spine Blix is starting to get fed up with Saddam and the lies.

Ace

Originally posted by Ace
What I don\'t like is how some Americans so easily forget.

9/11 was not that long ago yet here we are discussing why we had to bomb Afghanistan and the Taliban.

Iraq has a problem because of it\'s refusal to follow UN resolutions. Even that limp spine Blix is starting to get fed up with Saddam and the lies.

Ace

I agree... how easily a lot of Americans forget 9/11.  Is it going to take the eradication of a US city for people to stop being so ambivilent towards what must be done?  The Bush administration is looking at the long term effects of the Iraqi non compliance issue and taking action now will be a much smaller price than taking action a decade from now.

Originally posted by GigaShadow


You have a valid question Luckee, but it seems Saddam is more elusive than was originally thought.  

On the subject of Afghanistan, there were not that many civilian casualties.  No one has been bombed yet, and if the bombing does start, Iraq can only blame themselves for innocent loss of life.  By purchasing jammers and building his military compounds in the middle of civilian populations is in effect using human shields.  

Do you think that if the Iraqi\'s were attacking and we were hiding behind civilians that they would give that any consideration?  Not that two wrongs make a right, but the point I am trying to make here is that Saddam knows exactly what he is doing and what our overall policy is of trying to limit the casualties of non combatents.  By him using people as shields shows what little value he has for human life.

I think that may be an excuse by our media/government. Saddam is often seen in public and on TV.

Not many that were reported, but think of all of the ones that dont get out. The media and government tends to keep their soldier count up and ours down, along with their civilian count.

I also do not agree with how they place military installations amongst the civilians. I tend to dismiss that when I talk about civilian casualties. In those cases, I can certainly agree that we have no choice.

Always remember in our disagreements in this. I am not nor ever saying saddam shouldnt be killed. Im just not eager to see dummy number2 with soldiers placed ALL over the world fighting wars on multiple fronts. Saddam should be killed ASAP, but not by our war. We saw how well that worked last time. He knew they were at war so he hid. If we stop threatening with war, he will become more comfortable over time. Thats when we could eliminate him. I dont think it would be that hard, it would just mean more shit the government has to wiggle out of as if they are new to it

Hey luckee,

I nominate you to take him out. J/k

Ace

Guys, it happens everyday all over the world. It is no more sad just b/c it happend to us. Seems that people only value american lives as if the human race is below the american human race.

It is far from forgotten, but most of us move on in life. I was very lucky not to have anyone I know killed, but I did have a dear friend injured that day.

Even if I knew no on involved and it happend in europe, it would still be sad, and I would disagree with the methods some want to use.

Originally posted by Ace
Hey luckee,

I nominate you to take him out. J/k

Ace

Hehe I nominate the three of us.  I have my sniper suit all ready to go, but I don\'t think my paintball gun will be too lethal.  

Originally posted by Ace
Hey luckee,

I nominate you to take him out. J/k

Ace

If I had the skillz, resources, and man power, I would be the first!!

You can man the red button if you want. Giga can have the navy


damn I miss my DSL

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[Living-In-Clip]

Here\'s my two cents on this whole situation. First off, I don\'t care if anyone agree\'s or disagree\'s. Its my opinion and I am entitled to that , as are those who disagree with me.

• George W. Bush is a damn idiot. I have always said this.
• This war on Iraq will probably not be avoided , no matter what. UN Inspectors say there are no signs of mass destruction yet but also hint that it could take a year for a full disclousure and tests. Is Bush goin\' to wait? No, he isn\'t. Is he goin\' to listen to the UN Inspectors? No, he isn\'t. He has wanted this war for awhile now and he most likely won\'t back down.
• I find it funny that all you people and what not are all for him disarming Iraq, but yet we are allowed the same weapons we are constantly protesting against. Not to mention, Korea makes the weapons, out in the open, in front of us and yet nothing is done. Does no one see the contradiction? Oh wait, it\'s because Korea could probably kick our ass and we could gain a certain something   from a war on Iraq.
  
  
• I don\'t present any of this as fact. I present this as my opinion .

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Here\'s my two cents on this whole situation. First off, I don\'t care if anyone agree\'s or disagree\'s. Its my opinion and I am entitled to that , as are those who disagree with me.

• George W. Bush is a damn idiot. I have always said this.
• This war on Iraq will probably not be avoided , no matter what. UN Inspectors say there are no signs of mass destruction yet but also hint that it could take a year for a full disclousure and tests. Is Bush goin\' to wait? No, he isn\'t. Is he goin\' to listen to the UN Inspectors? No, he isn\'t. He has wanted this war for awhile now and he most likely won\'t back down.
• I find it funny that all you people and what not are all for him disarming Iraq, but yet we are allowed the same weapons we are constantly protesting against. Not to mention, Korea makes the weapons, out in the open, in front of us and yet nothing is done. Does no one see the contradiction? Oh wait, it\'s because Korea could probably kick our ass and we could gain a certain something   from a war on Iraq.
  
  
• I don\'t present any of this as fact. I present this as my opinion .

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Actually Blix is getting fed up with the Iraqs lies and has warned Iraq to either fess up or face war.  Personally I don\'t think the inspectors will find anything because Saddam has had years to prepare for this and hide everything.  God knows where he has hid it and even after he is gone I doubt we will actually see materials unless someone accidently finds it.

This situation in N. Korea isn\'t that old and yes things are being done to try and figure out how to handle it.  Korea couldn\'t kick our ass... they know this as well.  The problem with handling this is that Korea already has a nuke or two and it makes it a much more delicate situation.  Why do you think Bush put them on his Axis of Evil list almost a year ago?  They knew what the Koreans had up their sleeve.  

This also goes back to the point that US government doesn\'t and shouldn\'t tell the public everything until the time is right.

Hmmmm!

Ace

Originally posted by Ace
Hmmmm!

Ace

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