Proud to be an American/Antiwar Demonstration

I found the article quite good actually.  In this country it seems those who shout the loudest get more attention and in doing so try to drown out the voices that disagree with them.

WHo is they?? Not Iraq. Yet most of the US population is happy and Bush has dropped all plans as far as going after the ones that did that. Funny how afghanistan just disapeared from everyones vocabulary, yet Bin Laden is free to roam.

For the sake of an apology I will say that I should not mix up the Afghans with the Iraqi’s. What Bin Laden did was what I was refering to along with the support that was given to them by any of the sistering countries.

I do not want to hear about how he is hiding. Of course he is, that’s what terrorists do. They will continue to do so and they won’t be gotten rid of. We just bombed them for the simple fact that we could. Its like putting a bandaid on a gunshot wound.

If that is your view of how we went about pursuing the actions taken by Bin Laden then perhaps you too have been brainwashed and should consider the fact that despite what is said here I still think that all that has been done thus far has been done in defense of those that were victimized here in America. I am an American therefore I will support what we as Americans do. Sorry you don’t agree with this.

Iraq has little to do with those incidents except how Saddam rewards the families of terrorists

I guess that means he is innocent eh? NOT! Bush made it very clear, if you are not with us, you are against us. If you are against us in the war against terrorism then you will pay the consequences. Simple as that.

Im not saying Saddam shouldnt be dead, but there are ways to go about this without destroying an entire country. While they are at it, they better kill his son as well. Rumor has it that he is worse than his old man.

I would say that until his son is proven guilty of terrorism or an act of war then he would have no reason to deserve to die much like the countless multitudes you defended in your previous statement…eh?
 

Watching them sing and dance? Just like how many Americans did the same when we fought Iraq the last time? Hypocrisy much? As much as most don’t think about it, the are human as well, they too deserve a right to live. Hell, most of them are so brainwashed and cant do anything but those things or they get killed.

I like how you use the word hipocracy. Sad to see that is what you think but you may have any opinion you wish about America. This country has helped out other countries countless times and what does the world do to repay us? This is the one statement that I guess I just should leave alone.

Originally posted by project86
This country has helped out other countries countless times and what does the world do to repay us? This is the one statement that I guess I just should leave alone.

That\'s a two-way alley I don\'t want to visit... I mean, the US has definatly helped the world on many occasions; be it with money, technology or military help, but it (read: CIA) has also aided people like Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden and other \'nasty people\'.

As with every case such as this you just have to way the good and the bad and make your opinions on that. I guess I had better stop with the politics before this thread gets shut.

No worries, I don\'t want to discuss politics.

I tend to skip those threads since I get all worked up.

Originally posted by Samwise
No worries, I don\'t want to discuss politics.

I tend to skip those threads since I get all worked up.

True dat! I could sense my dark side coming out in the posts before yours. I want to have a good day today...

Originally posted by Green Meanie


He is exactly that, but he\'s exactly that towards his own people, not westerners. He already paid for screwing around in the early 90\'s, a new war requires new evidence.

NO WMD EVIDENCE,...........NO WAR.

SOME WMD EVIDENCE,.............KICK AR*E LADS, MAKE US PROUD.

If we just start on him without the required evidence then I\'m ashamed to be from this so-called democracy, Bush and Blair need to stop straining at the leash and rattling their sabres.

Oh and "Holding the oilfields \'in trust\' for the Iraqi people" could translate directly into "we\'ll never let them go completely now we have our grubby little mitts on them"

I know I know, I\'m an opinionated bugger.





Edit: "most of them are so brainwashed and cant do anything but those things or they get killed." - Luckee.

If you\'re accused of slander against the government (treason in Iraq) you get your toungue torn out but they let you live for a while until you dissappear.

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and with about 54% of the Iraqi population under 16, it almost makes you proud to be in the US & UK tour of Doom :rolleyes:

I mean we are really going to improve the situation by hauling ass through Iraq with enough fire power to start WWIII.. I mean Muslims around the world are sure to understand that’s its not another attack on Islamic state.
:rolleyes:  
[/sarcasm mode]


look GM, this might upset you but

The vast majority of the Iraqi people want nothing better than for Saddam\'s evil regime to topple and for the UN embargos to be dropped.

As for luckee’s statement it is almost true.

The scientists and specialists have not been brain washed but told that if they defect/ help the weapons inspectors/ leave the country/ or even refuse to work then they and their families (extending right out to 5th relations i.e. distant relation’s will be executed)

So you can see why the Iraqi Scientists want to keep their distance for the UN weapon inspectors.

For the sake of an apology I will say that I should not mix up the Afghans with the Iraqi’s. What Bin Laden did was what I was refering to along with the support that was given to them by any of the sistering countries.

No worries

If that is your view of how we went about pursuing the actions taken by Bin Laden then perhaps you too have been brainwashed and should consider the fact that despite what is said here I still think that all that has been done thus far has been done in defense of those that were victimized here in America. I am an American therefore I will support what we as Americans do. Sorry you don’t agree with this.

You say I have been brainwashed when I am clearly thinking for myself by my replies, yet you say if the american government is going to do it, you are going to support them. You tell me who is brainwashed?

I guess that means he is innocent eh? NOT! Bush made it very clear, if you are not with us, you are against us. If you are against us in the war against terrorism then you will pay the consequences. Simple as that.

I didnt say that. Im also 70% positive that bush is an idiot anyway. That was an ignorant thing for him to say in part. Just b/c someone doesnt support him and his schemes, that doesnt make them in favor of the terrorist and against the US.


I would say that until his son is proven guilty of terrorism or an act of war then he would have no reason to deserve to die much like the countless multitudes you defended in your previous statement…eh?

His son has already been documented as doing terrible things. Show me where and who I defended.
 

I like how you use the word hipocracy. Sad to see that is what you think but you may have any opinion you wish about America. This country has helped out other countries countless times and what does the world do to repay us? This is the one statement that I guess I just should leave alone.

And sometimes their help and noses arent wanted in everyones affairs. Plus they only tend to help when they have some lucrative intrest in said area.

BTW, no hard feelings in all of this. I just want to have a cool and calm discussion. Although I do understand how hard it is to stay calm in some of these.

I would love to reply to the comments you made man but as I said, I have to get out of the political debate because apparently I signed my freedom of speech away when I agreed to the forum policies. I would hate to have this thread closed due to a political discussion that was unwanted by some said moderator or such. No hard feelings here, I love a good debate as much as the next guy. Peace.

huh? ok, now things are going a bit far. Just say what you have to say man. Its not like we are being negative with each other.

[Titan]

I\'ve never liked antiwar protesters. They are asking for the impossible. I\'ve posted it before and I\'ll post it again. One country will always hate another country. One country wants the other countries people dead. So and so will always hate so and so. So basically, there will always be hatred, no peace and there will always be war. It can\'t be avoided. I support Bush in his war.

I support the allies fully when they go to war, it\'s not the ordinary soldiers business to ask questions, I just wish them luck and safety.

But, you have to ask yourself, is it our business to go to war with a country on the other side of the world again (they have already been slapped about a bit) with no new evidence, does holding a grudge have any place in modern politics?

I\'m all for war with the right evidence but at the moment it\'s looking like the pro war argument is extremely hollow and unfounded, yes he should be a dead man and I REALLY hope they find some evidence, but to attack someone twice with only one (old) reason is unjust.

Call me soft but I have a policy of never starting a fight, that\'s for mugs.

(Just to re-cap, this is Iraq we\'re talking about so no comments on the fight having already been started and the WTC)

Edit: I have no idea how to do smiles, can everyone just assume that I\'m not pised off/offended and am actually sitting here with a PCP grin on my face!!

[Living-In-Clip]

Let me clear something up: This thread will not be closed due to differing opinions. As long as everyone stays calm, it\'ll remain open and if some idiot starts calling names, etc, his posts will just be deleted.
So, Project, go ahead and post your opinion on the subject matter. It\'s one that effects us all.

kudos to you LIC. Good moderation bud.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Let me clear something up: This thread will not be closed due to differing opinions. As long as everyone stays calm, it\'ll remain open and if some idiot starts calling names, etc, his posts will just be deleted.
So, Project, go ahead and post your opinion on the subject matter. It\'s one that effects us all.

Thanks man.

I will say this, I am an American. I voted for Bush. I support the things that he is in favor of. I see that many people do not appreciate the things he has begun over in the Middle East. I for one do not like to see innocent people die. I do however feel that war is necessary for this world to remain in the progressive state that it has been in for ages. We Americans may have stuck our noses in where they did not belong but we have brought many great contributions to the world as a whole. I think as a whole, many would say that the good we have done outweighs the bad.

As for Sadam, I hope that our government will find him and retire him and anyone that may follow in his footsteps. I pity those that will suffer for his actions. He has not only committed crimes of war in the findings of the nuclear plans and the findings of the warheads against the surrounding nations of the world but against his own people.

We as Americans do not need to step in every time a problem comes up in the world, but when it involves weapons of mass destruction that will be wielded by a man that is physiologically unstable then yes, we should step in and shut them down! The world could do well on it’s own without such terrorism. I hope that you understand, I am not brainwashed by our government, I would be willing to fight to the death for my freedom and for the lives of those here in America.