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« on: March 21, 2003, 10:55:17 AM »
BRUSSELS, Belgium  — French President Jacques Chirac said Friday that France would not go along with a new United Nations resolution allowing the United States and Britain to administer postwar Iraq.
 
The French president said at a European Union summit he would "not accept" a resolution that "would legitimize the military intervention [and] would give the belligerents the powers to administer Iraq."

"That would justify the war after the event," Chirac told reporters.

At the summit, British Prime Minister Tony Blair urged his 14 colleagues to support a new U.N. resolution authorizing a post-Saddam "civil authority in Iraq."

Britain has not yet introduced such a Security Council resolution, however.

Chirac said he met with Blair on the sidelines of the EU summit to discuss "the way ahead" in rebuilding their relations within the EU and between one another.

"Mr. Blair and I shared that same spirit," Chirac said.

France has taken a hard stand in opposing the U.S.-led war against Iraq, a position that has divided the 15-nation bloc.

Once again thank France for the further ineffectiveness of the UN.  It makes me wonder - does he really think that after we do all the work to get rid of Saddam, the US and UK should have no say in rebuilding Iraq?
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2003, 11:03:46 AM »
i REALLY wish tony blair would walk across the summit stage and pimp slap that little bitch chirac.  

then look in putin\'s direction, (with his pimp hand still in the air) just begging for him to say something
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2003, 11:19:38 AM »
We shouldnt have any say in rebuilding Iraq. That is for the ppl and who they elect to decide.

I do think we should certainly set up hospitals and aide stations or something. Shelter..etc..etc, but we should stay as far away from normal life as possible. With maybe the exception of making sure the appoinment of who the Iraqi ppl want leading them goes smoothly and fair.
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2003, 11:23:09 AM »
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We shouldnt have any say in rebuilding Iraq. That is for the ppl and who they elect to decide.

I do think we should certainly set up hospitals and aide stations or something. Shelter..etc..etc, but we should stay as far away from normal life as possible. With maybe the exception of making sure the appoinment of who the Iraqi ppl want leading them goes smoothly and fair.


I disagree... it worked for Germany and Japan.  The US should have a say in how it is rebuilt as without our help it will take much longer for them to get on their feet and be self reliant.  During rebuilding they will have no infrastructure to support and govern the country - so the US and UK must do it for them until they are ready to do so.
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2003, 11:26:54 AM »
And when I would argue something concerning other wars and other countries you replied like so...so try your own advice.

Those were different situations and they all cant be handled the same.

Whether they want to be free of saddam is one thing(alot do) they dont want *our western ways* though either.

I see you added infrastructure since I left it out. I dont deny that one either. You just know we are going to stick our own guy in to lead things just like afghan, and the iraqis wont like that.
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2003, 11:36:13 AM »
Setting up temporary military government to oversee the rebuilding isn\'t a bad thing luckee.  That is all it would be doing - not pushing our "western ways" on them.  Besides, Iraq was a secular country before the war, who is to say it can\'t be same afterwards?
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2003, 11:37:37 AM »
What is truth and what they perceive is the most important thing.
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2003, 11:39:34 AM »
:laughing:  You are starting to sound like Yoda luckee ;)
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2003, 11:45:53 AM »
Don\'t forget that much of the rest of the world is hating us right now for our actions in attacking Iraq.  Right or wrong... whether you agree with it or disagree... that is the truth.  The US government is not well liked right now.

We\'re going to have to do a lot of work to rebuild our reputation after this.  A big step in the right direction would be turning over the job of rebuilding Iraq to other nations.  Lets say we removed all their weapons, deposed their leader, so ostensibly we accomplished what we set out to do... our part of the job is done.  It would go a long way toward proving our high minded principles if we stepped out at that point and allowed others to take care of administering Iraq\'s natural resources and creating a democratic government in that country.
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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2003, 11:49:26 AM »
While in theory that is a good idea, we still have the war to pay for and economically, it is a good deal for us do the rebuilding along with other nations.  

The only nation that should not participate is France, and IMHO the US shouldn\'t care what they think.
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2003, 11:54:01 AM »
Ah, I see...

We have to make sure Halliburton and other US corporations can cash in on all those rebuilding contracts, right?  

You are correct that Mr. Bush knows who his constituency is.  :)
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2003, 11:56:30 AM »
I think the forzen assets of 1.4billion that dummie sr. froze 12 years ago would be a good start since the us government just recently confiscated that money.

Of course much more is needed. I hate to say it since it is us the taxpayers that will end up footing the bill...but we should pay for it all. In reality....80% if not more of the rebuilding funds is going to come from what is already theirs.
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2003, 11:58:55 AM »
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Ah, I see...

We have to make sure Halliburton and other US corporations can cash in on all those rebuilding contracts, right?  

You are correct that Mr. Bush knows who his constituency is.  :)


You are missing the point Core, the American economy gains regardless of which American company gets the contract.  I agree the connections in the administration to some of these companies is a bit fishy, but I would rather see an American company get the contract over a French one.
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2003, 12:04:22 PM »
So why dont we make sure a good Iraqi company gets the contract?
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2003, 12:07:14 PM »
I just feel that we should remove any potential profit or benefit for ourselves (whether it be US corporations, US economy, or US citizens, whatever) from the post war rebuilding phase.  It will make us look much nobler if we are not reaping a windfall by preemptively invading another country.

Our reward should be the increased security everyone claims will result from getting rid of Saddam and the WMODs.  We get pissed when people claim were doing it for the oil or the money?... Let\'s prove them wrong!  How bout that?
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