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« Reply #60 on: April 12, 2003, 01:13:37 PM »
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thats why there are so many "problems" here


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« Reply #61 on: April 12, 2003, 01:32:22 PM »
So if they find a bunch of chemical weapons will everyone agree that what the US did was correct?
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« Reply #62 on: April 12, 2003, 01:37:45 PM »
Yes for me.

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« Reply #63 on: April 12, 2003, 01:42:20 PM »
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So if they find a bunch of chemical weapons will everyone agree that what the US did was correct?

No. I won\'t. I refuse to support this war . I refuse to support any war that is based off a notion. We went to war with a notion that he had them. We didn\'t have proof at the time and my opinion, that is a disgrace.

And we already went over him being a threat to his own people. So what? Why do we have to play big brother? Call me seflish, but it makes me gag that we pay taxes to go free some other country.

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« Reply #64 on: April 12, 2003, 04:01:11 PM »
LIC, im still shocked that you would just let saddam continue to do what he likes

you could always move to canada
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« Reply #65 on: April 12, 2003, 04:32:52 PM »
or mexico
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« Reply #66 on: April 12, 2003, 06:04:03 PM »
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So if they find a bunch of chemical weapons will everyone agree that what the US did was correct?


Not really since we gave them to him in the first place, but now it is wrong all of a sudden. They knew he was evil from day one. He has always been the way he is and they knew.

I probably wouldn\'t have been as opposed to the war if it was all about freedo and freedom only from day one, but even then, I still would have a hard time swallowing it.

Funny thing is, I feel this way, but Im not oppossed to violence in general. :)
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« Reply #67 on: April 12, 2003, 08:45:29 PM »
Errr...

The US isn\'t the only country to ever use a WMD...

What do you think this war was about?
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« Reply #68 on: April 12, 2003, 09:36:24 PM »
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And we already went over him being a threat to his own people. So what? Why do we have to play big brother? Call me seflish, but it makes me gag that we pay taxes to go free some other country.


Oh come on L-I-C...  You had some valid points until this. Country boy? Lemme guess, you haven\'t even left the country, much less the state you live in? Well let me just put in my .02... I lived in southern Turkey for two years, and have a good taste of the Muslim world. Maybe it was just the location, and American influence, but the Turks loved Americans. You could exit the military installation, and walk amongst them, dine with them, even sit down and have a conversation with them. They welcomed our prescense, and really shattered my previous ethnocentric views I held for them previously.

Point is, you are selfish. Extremely selfish. It\'s not about you, and your country specifically, its about being a good citizen of the world. Don\'t forget that there is a much bigger world outside the one you\'re so closely associated with. It\'s easy to kick back and relax when you are so accustomed to your own comfortable environment. But if you actually saw what was out there, you\'d feel much more unified as a world citizen, rather than be binded to a specific country. Believe me, if your life was being made miserable under Saddam\'s regime, you would be more than willing to welcome America\'s objective of dethroning him.

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« Reply #69 on: April 13, 2003, 12:12:14 AM »
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So how did Saddam get them? Hmmmm??


Rummy Sold them to him in the 80\'s to fight Iran, oh sorry i though you were asking me ;)
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« Reply #70 on: April 13, 2003, 12:48:42 AM »
I may be a selfish person, but I\'m not ashamed to admit it. I don\'t think we American\'s should have to pay for some other country to be free.

I don\'t turn a blindside to what he does to his people. I simply don\'t concern myself with it. It doesn\'t concern me if he torture\'s his people. It concerns me when family is sent over there to be shoot or killed all for those people can be freed.

With that said - I still don\'t buy the we are going over there to free them. You can think that all you want, but that is simply a false intention.

And is it quite fair of America to free the Iraqi people and ignore other countries? What about other countries ruled by dicators? Are we goin\' to start and try to play big brother and the almighty saviour to all those? Even at the cost of our own American lives?

And like Luckee said - is it so wrong if he does have chemical weapons? After all, we gave them to him. So who are we to condem him for having them?
And if we gave him those weapons , knowing he was a ruthless dicator - and they are used on his people sometimes, who is guilty? Saddam or the US? I say both.
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« Reply #71 on: April 13, 2003, 03:17:24 AM »
I guess we should fight all countries at once.  Then LIC would be happy because we aren\'t just picking on Iraq which he apparently doesn\'t care about because he doesn\'t know any Iraqis.

And as far as us giving them the WMD, in American criminal law, the seller of the gun is almost always not criminally liable for murder. Remember one of the basic rules of international politics: “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Alliances exist until they are no longer politically tenable. Just because we originally gave them to him doesn\'t mean we should let him use them.   It\'s been many many years since we originally gave them to him.  And it\'s not like he didn\'t develop his own since.  




"And if we gave him those weapons , knowing he was a ruthless dicator - and they are used on his people sometimes, who is guilty? Saddam or the US? I say both. "

Then I\'m surprised gun makers are still in business because they should be sued up and down the street when people shoot other people.
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« Reply #72 on: April 13, 2003, 03:49:50 AM »
meh, sovereign states should have a bit more sense than gun manufacturers - especially when trading in weapons that can kill lots and lots of people.

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« Reply #73 on: April 13, 2003, 04:06:25 AM »
Which furthers my point.
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« Reply #74 on: April 13, 2003, 04:19:46 AM »
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I because they should be sued up and down the street when people shoot other people.



no they are still in biz by saying such Intelligent quotes like...

“guns don’t kill people, people kill people “  

Talk about the ultimate in washing your hands.


hey maybe Rummy could use the same excuse by saying.

“I sold Saddam that Anthrax on the strict promise that he would never use it and it would be a deterrent against Iran”



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