Problems ahead with CELL

Forget the CELL processor for PS3. Ken Kutaragi has said that the development of this processor is going slower than they thought, and it seems that it won\'t be ready till Fall 07. They are now looking for a substitute. This is a big problem.

Source (in french)

LOL Adan, I made a thread on that already in Console Discusssion. WITH text in English straight from ign.
Big N,console King again next round ? Makes a person
wonder how things will work out between their corporate
effort (Sony-IBM-Toshiba) (read = who\'ll be the scapegoat)

http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=29290

I guess the Cell is just too far fetched and over ambitious for a machine to be released in 2005/06...

Perhaps they\'ll go the way of MS and built a system from Intel/AMD/Nvidia/ATI??

Who knows.

[Bobs_Hardware]

Considering Sony never confirmed that Cell would be in PS3, nor did they state that they were HOPING to include Cell in the PS3, my guess is that they have a number of contingency plans.

An expansion on the principles of the the PS2, perhaps?  /me thinks so.

Guess we wont see the cell into ps4

Excuse me Knotter

Originally posted by Adan
Excuse me Knotter

No problem  It just happened that I came
across the news via IGN which is in English
which happens 2b a bit more convenient.
On topic again ; to Bobs_H > contingency plan ?
whatever it is, this is a bad omen. If this truly
happens then Sony break the continuity of the
learning curve/cycle they \'imposed\' on devs.
When the devs were b1tchin\' about programming
for PS2 they (Sony) told \'em they would be
thankfull becuz PS3 would be in line with/an
extension of the multpiprocessing method in PS2.
In other words ; thanx to PS2\'s (though tough)
learning curve they would feel "right at home" with
the PS3. So if Sony themselves would NOT continue
this method in PS3 it would make their philosophy
look kind of :thepimp:
Aside that...stockholders will get impatient why the
hell they don\'t see their Cell R&D investmentmoney
back :rpissed:

jack poop

[Bobs_Hardware]

Originally posted by Knotter8

No problem  It just happened that I came
across the news via IGN which is in English
which happens 2b a bit more convenient.
On topic again ; to Bobs_H > contingency plan ?
whatever it is, this is a bad omen. If this truly
happens then Sony break the continuity of the
learning curve/cycle they \'imposed\' on devs.
When the devs were b1tchin\' about programming
for PS2 they (Sony) told \'em they would be
thankfull becuz PS3 would be in line with/an
extension of the multpiprocessing method in PS2.
In other words ; thanx to PS2\'s (though tough)
learning curve they would feel "right at home" with
the PS3. So if Sony themselves would NOT continue
this method in PS3 it would make their philosophy
look kind of :thepimp:
Aside that...stockholders will get impatient why the
hell they don\'t see their Cell R&D investmentmoney
back :rpissed:

Whose to say that the PS3 won\'t be an extention of the multiprocessing available in the PS2?  It\'s just that Cell won\'t be involved..

This sux ass. I mean, it is true that they didnt confirm the cell for ps3 but that was the impression that they were giving off and this new is s***. My question, is how hard or easy would it be to make a replacement chip that is able to push some impressive performance distancing the ps3 from say ps2, or more importantly xbox? Will it be able to compete with Xbox2 etc? This worries me.

The problem is, that in the absence of a denial statment from sony, the cell rumors for the PS4 became a genereally accempted fact on the interent, and in the PS community at large... os if they now go and change those palns to a more \'mundane\' PS4, they\'re going to look like they\'re retrating (even fi this isnt\' the true situation).  I hope the cell compes along in time, even if thisngs aren\'t looking good ta tht moment.

That\'s coherent engouh to reed.  007, pal, yoo\'ll fix up the speeling right?

[Bobs_Hardware]

TOKYO, April 19 (Reuters) - Consumer electronics giant Sony Corp 6758.T and Toshiba Corp 6502.T , Japan\'s largest chipmaker, will join hands in developing a new generation of semiconductors in a bid to take the lead in the field, Japanese media reported on Saturday.
Financial daily Nihon Keizai Shimbun (Nikkei) said the Sony group, the country\'s biggest user of chips, would invest abut 50 billion yen ($417.8 million) in a state-of-the-art semiconductor plant planned by Toshiba.

The two electronics giants would jointly build the facility to mass-produce a new microprocessing unit -- the key component of digital home electronics -- at Toshiba\'s Oita factory, and planned to have it in operation by 2004, the paper said.

Toshiba and the Sony group decided to tie up from the construction stage of the new facility in order to begin mass production at an early date, the Nikkei report said.

The new plant would mostly manufacture a new microprocessing unit now being developed jointly by Toshiba, Sony\'s videogame unit, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc (SCE) and IBM Corp IBM.N .

The new chip would be used in SCE\'s next-generation PlayStation game console, as well as high-performance home computers and other products.

Cell?

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2591208

well sony and toshiba are certainly gearing up to fab some 65nm chips in the next few years.  I\'m betting it\'s cell....i\'ll believe it until there is some proof that cell won\'t be in ps3.

On second thought what about a system based off of multiple EE + GS chips (as they are on the same chip now and are much smaller)

Size History of EE & GS


Of course they are gonna need to re-work and modernize the GS for the next gen.  Anyone remember the GScube sony made a while back with 16 parallel EE\'s and GS\'s..maybe this will be the makeup of ps3.  

But I think the downsized chips are gonna be for pstwo, a sleeker and smaller ps2 revision released right before ps3.

Wow i totally forgot about the GS Cube. What was it used for anyway? Yeah thats not bad research there. Thanx, congrats w/e. That said, this renews my hope for ps3, but how will sony pull everything together so that it can compete in the next generation? Everyone is talking about how hard the ps2 was to develop for etc. and if the architecture is very simmilar then ps3 will be almost as annoying. Then sony sais, well now that people are familliar with the ps2 the ps3 will be easier to tap into. I say, if the bottlenecks of ps2 aka VRAM etc. are upped for the next gen then i think its easy to see a somewhat bright future. Well that is unless the bottlenecks to to ps3 what they did to ps2 and just make everything better but not so good for the new gen. Meh, we have a loong way to XB2 and Game sphere or w/e they will call it. So who knows how ps3 will fare.

Source???

Well, somehow I have a feeling this news came around becuz maybe the Cell itself is coming along nicely, but maybe they\'re having problems with customizing it developer friendly... maybe
they realize it\'s gonna take them more time than they thought
to get that done and avoid \'developer start-up\' problems like
devs had with PS2 when the jaggies were still a BIG issue.