OMG, <Gasp> Real reason for war was to make a statement?

B-b-b-but, I thought it was to liberate an oppressed people!

Wow, I think I remember saying that before the war started. Now I wonder how many of the Republican circle jerkers who said the ideas people like me put out were moronic, when I said that the only reason we attacked Saddam was because of 9/11, and that he was no direct threat to us, etc. Funny how they never responded to the arguments that mattered.


http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/US/globalshow_030425.html

Officials inside government and advisers outside told ABCNEWS the administration emphasized the danger of Saddam\'s weapons to gain the legal justification for war from the United Nations and to stress the danger at home to Americans.
"We were not lying," said one official. "But it was just a matter of emphasis."
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Officials now say they may not find hundreds of tons of mustard and nerve agents and maybe not thousands of liters of anthrax and other toxins. But U.S. forces will find some, they say. On Thursday, President Bush raised the possibility for the first time that any such Iraqi weapons were destroyed before or during the war.
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If weapons of mass destruction were not the primary reason for war, what was? Here\'s the answer officials and advisers gave ABCNEWS.
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The Sept. 11, 2001, attacks changed everything, including the Bush administration\'s thinking about the Middle East — and not just Saddam Hussein.
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Senior officials decided that unless action was taken, the Middle East would continue to be a breeding ground for terrorists. Officials feared that young Arabs, angry about their lives and without hope, would always looking for someone to hate — and that someone would always be Israel and the United States.
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Europeans thought the solution was to get a peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians. But American officials felt a Middle East peace agreement would only be part of the solution.
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The Bush administration felt that a new start was needed in the Middle East and that Iraq was the place to show that it is democracy — not terrorism — that offers hope.

its what i said all along.... it wasn\'t about oil or WoMD, but it was about revenge and the panic in being seen to do something.

to all the war hawks... plaese give it a once over its a intresting read ... oh and there is something else oh hey......... *coff* still no WoMD found *coff*

GWB = NOT the greatest leader since Winston Churchhill.

Who cares... old news... I never once said it was about WoMD or to liberate the "oppressed" savages.

hahaha..you have in fcat made those arguements.

"At beggining this war was about weapons of mass destruction now its about freeing them!  I\'m not 100% sure what Bush is doing but he does want the oil."  

-Clowd
 
There are more than one reasons for this war:
1.After the 9/11 incident the government lost some trust from the Americans.They began questioning their country\'s foreign policy.They doubted the supposed safety their government is supposed to offer them.And especially the doubted their own government.With other words the government could have lost their complete control over the Americans\' awareness and concsience.
This war was a way to gain back the trust from the Americans.To show them that they care for their safety.As well as to give the impression that they care for the whole world.Which is nothing but BS.With this war they rebuild the fake American virtues the 9/11 incident had destroyied but not only that.They made them even stronger in the American people\'s minds.Now if another terrorist attack happens there is no chance they will question their government again.
 
2.The USA used to be the most powerfull country economically controlling 60% percent of the exports.Imagine.60% controlled only by the USA and the other 40% was shared by the rest of the world.Now they have lost that power.China, Japan etc now have grown economically and become powerfull enough to be reckognised as much as the USA.Plus Europe has all the qualities to surpass what America used to be.It can become the most powerfull continent economically.The USA sees that with the introduction of Euro.Thast why they are after the most important energy source in the present days.OIL.This has a connection with the third reason.
 
3.This war in Iraq is perfectly planned so it can be the starting point to chain wars.Now they say that other arabian countries are supporting Iraq with weapons etc.This is the excuse to attack and gain complete control over them(complete control over the oil).They already have plans for a new geopolitic map for Saudi Arabia.
 
4.The only undeniable and biggest power the USA have under their availability is military power.The only way to show that power is war.They want to be seen and feared as the country that nobody can say no to.The country that has control over all.
 
5.More reasons I cant remember right now

-what my friend said in a email 2-3 weeks ago

[Living-In-Clip]

Luckee\'s right, Giga. You had indeed made those arguments durin\' these discussions. Now that the "war" is over with and the truth comes out (opressed people? weapons of mass destruction? Please!) you act like you don\'t care.

Give me a break. This war was a sham and so is the American goverment at this point.

I also love how the Iraqi people are now called "savages" - instead of opressed people without hope, due to some cruel dicator. They are just "savages" now.
:rolleyes:

I\'m surprised Ace is so quiet, we had some good arguments during the course of the war.

Shame!!

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Luckee\'s right, Giga. You had indeed made those arguments durin\' these discussions. Now that the "war" is over with and the truth comes out (opressed people? weapons of mass destruction? Please!) you act like you don\'t care.

Give me a break. This war was a sham and so is the American goverment at this point.

I also love how the Iraqi people are now called "savages" - instead of opressed people without hope, due to some cruel dicator. They are just "savages" now.
:rolleyes:

Uhhh please quote me where I said this was about WoMD.  If you look at most of my posts I was arguing in favor of a regime change.  I never once said they were going to find tons of weapons - though I do think eventually they will turn up and yes that was a part of the reason we went to war.  The reason some you tend to focus so much on WoMD is because of the role the UN played in this - ie. the inspectors etc... Bush and the administration wanted a regime change and so what if we don\'t find as much "damning" evidence as first thought?  This war sent a clear message to other terrorist sponsoring states that the US won\'t lay down and let something like 9/11 happen again... which leads me to...

Funny how links to terrorists groups keep popping up though - something you liberal pacifists haven\'t mentioned once. :rolleyes:

What would you call people who accidently shoot a tanker truck to celebrate their electricity being turned back on?  Civilized?  

The war was a success and I find it laughable how some on here are still clinging to the belief that it wasn\'t.  Move on and find a new cause to complain and whine about.  The war in Iraq is over and quite frankly Bush and the coalition did an excellent job.

Here is a quote from a post I made on February 9, 2003:

"Who do we have to give this 100 percent undeniable without a shadow of a doubt proof too? France? Germany?  This in the best interest of the US to have a regime change in Iraq. I would even go as far to say for the sake of National Security."

Link:

http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=27911&perpage=25&pagenumber=2

Regime change as I said all along - though I suspected and still do suspect he has WoMD hidden somewhere.  Will we ever find them?  Give it a while, if he hid them successfully from inspectors it might take a while to find them now.

Originally posted by Green Meanie
I\'m surprised Ace is so quiet, we had some good arguments during the course of the war.

Shame!!

I have been busy at work so my posting has been somewhat limited. It\'s not because I am hiding.

Now onto the article. If GWB went to war for for no reason he will pay the price.  Who are these people making the claim?

As Blair said, a lot of people will be eating their words. Give it time and the truth will come out. Or are you going to tell me we would be better off with Saddam still in power?

Ace

In the interests of the US to go to war. It isn\'t exactly looking as easy as that to get a US friendly government in Iraq, they all want it for themselves and are starting to resent US troops being there.

Also, I\'ve said it before and I\'ll say it again, the IRA fund-raised in the US for years, a pretty f*cking big link to terrorism, helping to blow up your supposed greatest ally in the world, did we attack you or push for a regime change, no. Probably no country in the world is free from terrorist links, take a pin, a blindfold, a world map and a dizzy person and you may as well attack the first country you hit if you want to think like that.

The reasons for war, taken individually, have as much credibility as Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf (just not quite as funny).

I wasnt affected either way by him in power or not, so take that as your answer I suppose.


giga..please stop mentioning terrorist links that keep popping up as we have many, MANY within the US as well. DO we need a regime change too?

Another thing, unless this post starts to get longer, no way in the world Im sifting through hundreds of messages to physically prove what more than one of us on the *other side* have seen you type.

Originally posted by luckee
I wasnt affected either way by him in power or not, so take that as your answer I suppose.


giga..please stop mentioning terrorist links that keep popping up as we have many, MANY within the US as well. DO we need a regime change too?

Another thing, unless this post starts to get longer, no way in the world Im sifting through hundreds of messages to physically prove what more than one of us on the *other side* have seen you type.

It\'s not too hard to find quotes, I remember a few of the \'discussions\' we had.

http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29154&perpage=25&pagenumber=2

What are you guys going to do if GWB wins a second term?

Originally posted by luckee
I wasnt affected either way by him in power or not, so take that as your answer I suppose.


giga..please stop mentioning terrorist links that keep popping up as we have many, MANY within the US as well. DO we need a regime change too?

Another thing, unless this post starts to get longer, no way in the world Im sifting through hundreds of messages to physically prove what more than one of us on the *other side* have seen you type.

The fact is luckee you accused me of saying this war was all about WoMD.  I provided a link to where I said it wasn\'t - it was posted more than a month before the actual war started.  Ignore facts if you want to.