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Originally posted by Clowd
Just as when the Israelites were in the wilderness...God did not let their clothes wear out...so He has no problem in keeping things from wearing out,  even the sun.  

 

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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
At least I have the balls to come out and say what I trully believe regardless of what anyone else thinks.

If the earth is really millions of years old, as is the sun, then the sun would have been touching the earth if it was still in the same rotation alignment. At the rate that the sun is shrinking, its virtually impossible for the earth to be old because of this.

I\'ll have to search for some sources, but believe what you want.

Err, the sun hasn\'t changed size in regards to age. The sun has been burning debris from space; it never started of larger, then been getting smaller.
It\'s has been burning of space crap, and now is running out because it\'s got nothing to burn off, so it\'s burning out itself.  so it\'s starting / going to get smaller, then it\'ll get larger and cook everything from the earth to mars, then die itself.


gezzzz.

Originally posted by luckee
If no one exactly knows how far the universe stretches, than how would they really know this info?

I guess they could make a reasonable estimate taking the outermost star clusters into consideration and the rate of which the universe expands, etc. etc. I\'m not a scientist, but I don\'t think it\'s completely impossible.

Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
I personally feel that both the entire universe and the human race is around 10000 years old.  

Ok... that\'s certainly a way\'s off from what I believe. I respect your opinion nontheless. But here\'s what I believe:

- the universe is ~14 billions years old (give or take a few billion years)
- the Earth is ~4-5 billions years old
- the oldest found species of homo sapiens are 50,000 - 100,000 years old.

How do I figure this? Well, the universe thing can be estimated by various calculations. But recently an international team of astronomers performed a unique measurement. They measured for the first time the amount of the radioactive isotope Uranium-238 in a star that was born when the Milky Way was still forming. It is the first measurement ever of uranium outside the Solar System. This method works in a way similar to the well-known Carbon-14 dating in archaeology, but over much longer times. Ever since the star was born, the Uranium "clock" has ticked away over the eons, unaffected by the turbulent history of the Milky Way. It now reads 12.5 billion years. Since the star obviously cannot be older than the Universe, it means that the Universe must be older than that (http://www.eso.org).

The Earth thing... again it can be measured in different ways. One way is to look at the oldest formations of rocks and minerals. There have been found rocks as old as almost 4 billion years. Hence the world would be at least 4 billion years old...

The human race age... one way of finding out could be looking at the oldest known bones found. These go about 100,000 years back.

So that\'s how I figure what I do.

God made man in His own image. God probably did make a being more perfect than us, but who knows.

This is why we aren\'t solid state inside, also why we are suscestable to diseases and such.

There is a religious explanation for everything, not saying you have to believe it, but don\'t write it off without hearing someone religious at least explain their point of view to you.


Eric Jacob

Clowd, prove to me that god won\'t let the sun wear out.

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
There is a religious explanation for everything, not saying you have to believe it, but don\'t write it off without hearing someone religious at least explain their point of view to you.

I try to keep an open mind, I really do. That\'s why I wouldn\'t say I\'m an atheist anymore, but rather agnostic.

But I have yet to hear something really convincing from religious sources. It\'s always a question about faith, and that\'s not really something you can use to argue with since it\'s a personal thing and probably means something different to different people.

I had never heard too many nonsenses in a single thread...

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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
I\'ll have to search for some sources, but believe what you want.

Good luck...


I have a much easier time believing many years of science than a book written by a bunch of dudes high on shrooms.  

What I want to know is who came up with the count of how many atoms are in the universe and how can he prove it.

Originally posted by EmperorRob
What I want to know is who came up with the count of how many atoms are in the universe and how can he prove it.

Emperor tell me, what are more? The number of hairs in your head or sand grains all over the earth? I can tell you that sand grains, and I have not count your hairs. Sometimes the difference is so big in number that isn\'t necessary to count the parts.

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This about it, you have one cell in your brain.  It is sitting next to countless other cells and connected to all of them.  Multiply that by billions and billions of cells and that is nuts.

Originally posted by Adan
Emperor tell me, what are more? The number of hairs in your head or sand grains all over the earth? I can tell you that sand grains, and I have not count your hairs. Sometimes the difference is so big in number that isn\'t necessary to count the parts.

The hairs on my head and the # of grains on the whole Earth is a finite number.  Prove to me the universe is finite.  I don\'t claim to know the # of cells in a human brain but I neither do I claim to know where the universe begins and ends so I can\'t use that a measuring stick.  So tell me, which is greater, that which is finite or that which is infinite?

Originally posted by EmperorRob
The hairs on my head and the # of grains on the whole Earth is a finite number.  Prove to me the universe is finite.  I don\'t claim to know the # of cells in a human brain but I neither do I claim to know where the universe begins and ends so I can\'t use that a measuring stick.  So tell me, which is greater, that which is finite or that which is infinite?

So you believe space is infinite?

Personally I think so, yeah.  But even if it wasn\'t it would be hard to say x > space when we don\'t even know the value of space.

Originally posted by EmperorRob
Personally I think so, yeah.  But even if it wasn\'t it would be hard to say x > space when we don\'t even know the value of space.

As I said before, I don\'t think it\'s impossible to estimate the number, or at least enough to say X > Y. But what do I know.

EDIT: Of course, that assumes you believe space is finite, like I personally do.