Is I-Tunes the answer?

[SirMystiq]

No No Spudz, It\'s "the cool thing" to say it\'s all "teen angst" because they think it\'s "the cool thing"....Get me?

Aren\'t mp3\'s encoded with digital sig\'s these days?

Adan, if you were to burn it to a CDR as an mp3 file, then the ownership would be on the actual mp3. Even if it was converted to standard CD format its still go encoding right?

Or am I totally wrong?

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by Spudz
Hey do I.

I\'d love to see them even try.

You know how many songs are downloaded a day? Using hundreds of programs? Its a slight chance they would bother calling up in Alaska or anything.

:rolleyes:

The cool thing? Jesus you think we are all mindless drones.

L-i-c, im sure its the "cool-thing" to say your doing the "cool-thing".

You are a mindless drone. Ninety percent of the population is, so don\'t take offense. I just stated that your teen angst that comes through in almost any given post, is noticable.

It\'s okay though. We was all teenagers once. We was all ignorant and stupid. Just some more than others.

Me > Music Industry

I can\'t understand those that defend the RIAA regarding file sharing.  The muscian isn\'t the one hurt here as others have brought up - its the fat cat executives of the music corporations that are the ones losing money.  How much of the CD sale actually goes to the musician and how much goes to the label?

Why would anyone want to defend them other than having a financial interest in the RIAA?  As Coredweller has pointed out the RIAA continues to sell CD\'s at inflated prices so why don\'t we call the RIAA what it really is - a oligopoly.  A oligopoly that can charge whatever they want for CD\'s.

Sure they are being "forced" to settle with people regarding overcharging in the form of a $20 check or a donation depending on how many people actually list themselves as a plantiff on the lawsuit.  This is a slap on the hand, because in reality over the past decade they have made at least 20 times the amount they will have to settle for due to the pricing of their CD\'s.

LIC I find it ironic that you call most people in our society mindless drones, especially those that download music, yet you are the drone that is mindlessly following the will of a corporate giant who is using questionable tactics to enforce its will on consumers.

You are a mindless drone. Ninety percent of the population is, so don\'t take offense. I just stated that your teen angst that comes through in almost any given post, is noticable.

It\'s okay though. We was all teenagers once. We was all ignorant and stupid. Just some more than others.

Im not a mindless drone, I know my whereabouts in this standing, I am the "prosecuted"

LIC- I think that you so judgmental you cant see another side to anything.

[Living-In-Clip]

You can call it "supporting the RIAA", just because I disagree with the fact you people look for ways to justify your theft. Which makes you no better than the common criminal. Constantly blaming someone else for your crimes.

Is Epicrecords part of the RIAA?  I hope not but I had to have some new Joe Satriani so I shelled out about $17 today.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
You can call it "supporting the RIAA", just because I disagree with the fact you people look for ways to justify your theft. Which makes you no better than the common criminal. Constantly blaming someone else for your crimes.

THAT\'S WERE YOU WRONG!!!!

Criminals tend to actually do physical work to steal. I just sit here and type and download. Criminals have alot of reasons to steal. It might be just for fun, a game, or a past time. Mostly thought it\'s poorness. So since im a common criminal. I blame it on poorness.

Originally posted by SirMystiq
THAT\'S WERE YOU WRONG!!!!

Criminals tend to actually do physical work to steal. I just sit here and type and download. Criminals have alot of reasons to steal. It might be just for fun, a game, or a past time. Mostly thought it\'s poorness. So since im a common criminal. I blame it on poorness.

Wrong... criminals come in all varieties.  Haven\'t you ever heard of white collar crime?  Embezzling money doesn\'t require physical work.

As far as the debate on labeling people "criminals" who download music goes... that is a bit extreme.  The downloading of music pales in comparison to some of the real problems in this country and it surprises me to see you so passionate about this, when there are other more important issues than downloading some songs off of Kazaa.  What the RIAA has been doing for years is technically criminal if you really want to get down to it.  There are laws against monopolies in this country and as of now the Feds don\'t seem to want to address the fact that the RIAA has formed an organization that soley distributes and determines the prices of retail music.  

Is it so hard to see that the solution the RIAA is pursuing is wrong.  I would be more than happy to pay for songs individually - as long as I could do whatever I wanted with them (ie. burn them to CD\'s).  I - tunes is a start, but if the RIAA really wanted to turn this around and gain the confidence and support of the consumer they would listen to what consumers want.  I have no problem paying for songs that I like, but I will be damned if I am going to pay for $20 for 3 songs I like.

In the RIAA\'s last announcement they said they are not targeting people who are downloading.  They are targeting people who are sharing large numbers of mp3s over p2p ports.  Even though they may legally own these files.  Another reason why their actions are unconstitutional and harassment.

[SirMystiq]

Doesn\'t make sense....SO I can still download them and burn them just as long as I dont\' share them?

NICE!!!

Petty theft is petty theft whether you punch a few keys or blow off the door to a safe.  Fact of the matter is, whether it\'s easy or not does not diminish the fact that you committed a crime.  I suppose there\'s a difference between me running someone over with a motorcycle as opposed to using a train right?  I suppose I should only get a few years in prison because I used a bike, a rather less severe weapon, as opposed to a train which guaranteed certain doom where I would get a lethal injection?

The context of the crime may lessen the amount of justice applied.  For example, a man stealing a loaf of bread for his starving family which, for the sake of arguement, costs 17.99 a loaf as opposed to a guy who steals a 17.99 cd for his own personal enjoyment.  The crimes are the same, but the context in which they are committed allows jury\'s and the courts to be far more merciful in the long run provided you confess and allow the justice system to play its part.

Look, I\'m not trying to defend the RIAA here, but some of you honestly think that because the prices are high on a piece of entertainment, that stealing is perfectly alright and because it is easier nowadays thanks to the digital age we live in, the crime is somehow less severe.  That is simply not the case.  I am definitely against the high prices of CD\'s and against bands who are already paid well enough whether their CD sells or not, but I\'m not going to delude myself into thinking that because I stole a few songs off the Internet that I am somehow not committing a crime and instead fighting the good fight for... what-the-hell-ever.

It\'s just that simple.

People that download songs are in the wrong. As is the RIAA for pursuing end-users in the federal court system. They allowed Napster to grow to the point that alot of people believe it is legal. I work with alot of older individuals that believe it is legal. All the lawsuits have accomplished in doing is confuse them more so.