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« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2004, 04:33:40 PM »
Sorry for being so ignorant...What\'s the IRA?
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2004, 02:20:57 AM »
A brief overview.


The IRA came about because of the situation regarding Northern Ireland being a part of the U.K and Southern Ireland being a country in its own right. In my opinion I think we should just give N.Ireland back as we took it in a pretty shitty way and have just refused to give it back.

There are massive religious tensions between certain people, the UK being protestant and the Irish being Catholic, it was turned into a religious war and various parts of Northern Ireland and Mainland Britain were bombed over a period of around 30 years. There used to be a really stupid legal thing that prevented Jerry Adams’ voice being broadcast, he used to be dubbed by a different, heavily Irish voice-over guy whenever he appeared on the news as the public face of Sinn Fein (The IRA really). In the height of the troubles, when there were serious amounts of British soldiers patrolling the streets and covering corners etc women would come out of their houses with cakes for the troops, sometimes they contained broken glass, sometimes rat poison. An army Land Rover driving down the street became a target for the kids to throw bricks at, god help them if they crashed and were left without a vehicle, they’d probably have their bollocks cut off.

It’s bred into the kids to hate the others, Catholics don’t talk to protestants and vice versa, a lot of people may have never even been into the street next to them and it’s become a little fuzzy as to why. If you’re a Protestant and you’re discovered in a Catholic pub then you may very well be killed, it’s pretty hateful when you scrape past the top layer and look into it.

Sinn Fein used to go to the U.S to raise funds, as a lot of Americans seem to think they’re Irish it’s the perfect place to go to gain money for your cause, all talk of violence, guns, torture and kids killed by bombs in shopping centre bins is pushed to the back and out comes the public, presentable face of the IRA, business lunches and street collecting apparently being the best methods last time I read about it. Then they go back to Ireland, buy some more fertilizer and then blow up a Protestant pub or a chunk of London. The protestants have fought back with the Unionists, they have used pretty much the same tactics of terror and in the end no-one’s got anywhere and there are hundreds dead.

It just winds me up when Americans talk about the IRA without fully understanding the horrors surrounding them, a lot of which I’d probably be banned for posting stories of here.

My Brother-In-Law served in Ireland, I asked him what it was like, the answer, Hell.

Although it\'s eased off now since the politicians stopped warring, the people are still full of hate.

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« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2004, 05:54:18 PM »
^^^you sound the same way i feel about the iraq war! ;) And the situation in irelan seems symbolic to the palestinian & israel war. Good read,..as i\'m not that familiar with the ireland & u.k. disputes.
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« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2004, 06:27:17 PM »
For the issue of gay marriages, I am taking a fully conservative view on this.  I do not like them and I do not think they should be allowed.  No because I am some racist or whatever it is person, it is because if one of them adopts a child, that child is going to be a mess.  Perhaps not let them adopt children or in the case of females, do not like them artifically inciminate.  Think of the children!
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« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2004, 06:45:34 PM »
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=5&u=/ap/20040220/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_judges

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By JEFFREY MCMURRAY, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Bypassing angry Senate Democrats, President Bush (news - web sites) installed Alabama Attorney General William Pryor as a U.S. appeals court judge on Friday in his second "recess appointment" of a controversial nominee in five weeks.



Pryor\'s federal appointment has been vigorously opposed by Democratic senators who have objected to his past comments and writings on abortion and homosexuality.


Bush praised Pryor as a "leading American lawyer" and said he had been pushed past the Senate\'s normal confirmation process because of "unprecedented obstructionist tactics" against Pryor and five other nominees.


The president said of the Democratic blockers: "Their tactics are inconsistent with the Senate\'s constitutional responsibility and are hurting our judicial system."


Pryor was immediately sworn in in Alabama by another 11th Circuit judge.


The Constitution gives the president authority to install nominees in office when Congress is not in session. Both houses were out this week for the Presidents Day holiday. But the appointments are good only until the end of the next session of Congress, in this case the end of 2005.


Last month, Bush used a similar appointment to promote Mississippi federal judge Charles Pickering to the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (news - web sites).


Bush said Pryor\'s "impressive record demonstrates his devotion to the rule of law and to treating all people equally under the law."


However, Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy, the senior Democrat on the Judiciary Committee (news - web sites), said none of Bush\'s nominees is more controversial than Pryor.


"Actions like this show the American people that this White House will stop at nothing to try to turn the independent federal judiciary into an arm of the Republican Party," Leahy said.


Democratic presidential contender John Edwards (news - web sites) said Pryor "has a long record of vigorous efforts to deny Americans\' basic rights under our laws."


"This is one more example of why we need a new president," said Edwards, D-N.C., a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee.


But Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said the appointment was "a constitutional response to an unconstitutional filibuster."


"I\'ve always heard that when you have nothing else to say, you call people names," Cornyn said. "That\'s apparently what Democrats are now resorting to, just name calling. Bill Pryor is a very qualified, highly professional nominee who has a proven track record of enforcing the law, rather than his own personal agenda."


Bush picked Pryor last April for a seat on the 11th Circuit that covers Alabama, Georgia and Florida. Abortion rights advocates immediately mounted a campaign against the nominee, citing his criticism of the Supreme Court\'s Roe v. Wade (news - web sites) decision that said women had a constitutional right to terminate pregnancy.


Pryor also came under fire for filing a Supreme Court brief in a Texas sodomy case comparing homosexual acts to "prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography and even incest and pedophilia."


Republicans have been unsuccessful in five attempts, the last one in November, at breaking through the parliamentary blockade that Democrats erected against Pryor\'s nomination.

   



Pryor, 41, is a founder of the Republican Attorneys General Association, which raises money for GOP attorneys general.

Besides Pickering and Pryor, Democrats also have used filibusters to block Bush\'s appeals court nominations of Judge Priscilla Owen, Hispanic lawyer Miguel Estrada and judges Carolyn Kuhl and Janice Rogers Brown. Estrada withdrew his nomination in September.

While Pryor didn\'t speak to reporters Friday, Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions, a close friend and Pryor\'s predecessor as Alabama\'s attorney general, said he had talked to him on the phone and found him to be "very comfortable with the situation."

Many Alabama Republicans remain angry at Pryor for leading the charge to oust the state\'s chief justice, Roy Moore, for refusing to abide by federal court orders requiring him to move a Ten Commandments monument from his courthouse.

Supporters hope almost two years on the federal appeals court will prove to Democrats that Pryor, as they say he showed in the Ten Commandments case, is willing to look at more than one side of an issue.

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Associated Press reporter Phillip Rawls in Montgomery, Ala., contributed to this story.


Wow, Bush is just putting people that will likely agree with him if he ever tries to amend the Constitution so homosexuals aren\'t allowed to be married. This is some sneaky shit.
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2004, 08:10:57 PM »
I am support of banning gay marriages. If those people wanna get married let them move to another country or planet.
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« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2004, 08:26:17 PM »
God, if somehow the national constitution gets amended to redefine marraige then we really are at an all time low.  There have been thousands of proposed amendments and 27 have been passed.  Does the definition of marraige really need to be in there?  In the grand scheme of things I really don\'t see it as something so incredibly important to the stability of the nation.

As for giving gays the right to marry....eh it\'s tricky, but I don\'t see anything wrong with at least civil unions.  Allowing gay marraiges may open the floodgate to a whole list of new definitions of marraiges including polygamy and who knows what else.
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« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2004, 02:56:58 PM »
I say let the gays get married. Its not gonna affect me so what do I care. Its not moral or anything like that but if two men want to get married, let them. Think of it this way too. If two women were to marry, the porn would be extraordinary ;) Not that its not right now :)
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« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2004, 04:24:24 PM »
Can anyone tell me where it says we have a right to get married?
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« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2004, 04:53:19 PM »
Can you tell me where it says we don\'t?
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« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2004, 06:45:55 PM »
Marriage is something invented by man. We don\'t "need" to get married to have children. We don\'t need to get married to have sex and love one another. "Marriage" in different types of forms have been around for thousands of years and became a tradition and that you HAVE to get married if you love someone. Works for heteros and gays. They love eachother and want to get married. I say if it makes them happy, let them do it. Gay couples usually (according to some statistics) divorce in like 2 years or around that. I know divorce rates in gay marriages are higher than hetero marriages.
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« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2004, 08:06:24 PM »
^^In what country?!

And I agree.
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« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2004, 03:37:07 AM »
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« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2004, 05:04:38 AM »
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Marriage is something invented by man. We don\'t "need" to get married to have children. We don\'t need to get married to have sex and love one another. "Marriage" in different types of forms have been around for thousands of years and became a tradition and that you HAVE to get married if you love someone. Works for heteros and gays. They love eachother and want to get married. I say if it makes them happy, let them do it. Gay couples usually (according to some statistics) divorce in like 2 years or around that. I know divorce rates in gay marriages are higher than hetero marriages.


I would be interested in see\'ing your stats on this for a few reasons.

(1) Offical gay marriages are new. It would be difficult to compare it to overall Hetrosexual marriages.

(2) There is a low number of gay marriages as opposed to the massive numbers of hetrosexual marriages. Therefor, if there are quite a few gay "divorces", then it looks worse than the hetrosexual numbers.

(3) It is fair to answer a question with a question ! ;)

(4) The homosexual\'s had it made. See, if they was smart, they would of just exchanged vows verbally and never done it through the legal system. Doing this avoids any divorces and having to split half your posessions with your ex-signifcant other. Now, they want to get married, which means they want to suffer through something every man tries to avoid...a divorce.  I\'m sorry, but do you know how many guy\'s wish marriages was illegal, just for the simple fact they lost most of everything with their first divorce?!?!?  Hell, I\'m hetrosexual and I would love to avoid marriage, due to the fact I don\'t want to lose most my stuff or take a chance of it... See, they had it made and they had to go screw it up.

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« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2004, 06:04:37 AM »
I don\'t what all the hub-bub is all about. Gay CIVIL marriages should be legal. Religious Gay Marriages are are something that religious sect should decide upon.

Something to do with the "Seperation of Church and State" which I agree with.
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