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« on: April 06, 2004, 12:41:02 AM »
not anymore....

524whp stock block

I hope my SRT can do that one day :D




In all seriousness, even this has me surprised as I couldnt even run 247whp on my stock 1st gen block for more than a month before meltdown.
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2004, 02:18:00 AM »
that\'s crazy, did he have to upgrade the turbos and inject nos or nv20 to get those numbers?  Plus a pretty smooth curve considering it\'s a 4-cyl.  Can u link to the thread of the car owner?

There\'s a guy in the Maxima community who did the same thing.. got over 500tq on the stock block AND stock tranny.. still ran low 12\'s.

ps- we still got FWD cars :(
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2004, 02:41:51 AM »
I would expect some serious modifications have occured to reach that figure.
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2004, 03:45:01 AM »
Too bad it probably still looks like a neon.
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2004, 04:18:06 AM »
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Too bad it probably still looks like a neon.


BWAHAHA! :laughing:
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2004, 05:45:46 AM »
Neons :laughing:

I don\'t know what this one was thinking...

http://www.corral.net/images/blkcld/espn.wmv
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2004, 08:06:08 AM »
So this car pretty much only drives in a straight line, right?  I can\'t imagine how you can put that much power into a FWD car, and expect it to corner in a non offensive way.  If I\'m wrong, that\'s cool, but for now I can\'t imagine it.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2004, 08:54:00 AM »
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So this car pretty much only drives in a straight line, right?  


A friend of mine had a souped up Neon SRT4. Two words.... Torque Steer.

He crashed it into a gaurd rail last Fall. Had nothing to do with racing. \'Twas black ice to blame.
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2004, 09:08:54 AM »
Yeah "Black Ice."  :laughing:   I love that.  "I didn\'t crash because of my poorly installed mods, or because I\'m a lousy driver.  It was Black Ice!"  :p
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2004, 09:11:12 AM »
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Yeah "Black Ice."  :laughing:   I love that.  "I didn\'t crash because of my poorly installed mods, or because I\'m a lousy driver.  It was Black Ice!"  :p


Hehe....well...that\'s what HE said. Except for the "lousy driving and poorly installed parts" part. :)
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2004, 03:05:40 PM »
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So this car pretty much only drives in a straight line, right?  I can\'t imagine how you can put that much power into a FWD car, and expect it to corner in a non offensive way.  If I\'m wrong, that\'s cool, but for now I can\'t imagine it.


The guy is building a street/strip car. Why would he be interested in modding to spec for a road course?

On that note, there is a great roadracer/ enduro guy named Dale Seeley that does run a heavily moddified SRT on nothing but road course\'s and has no problems with winning consistently.

Another guy..Erich Heuschele took 1st in the mid-priced sedan class at one lap of america with a SRT. He also took 8th overall in a large field of "true" sports cars like diablos..vipers... RGT\'s...TT 996\'s..ZO6\'s.....etc..etc.

MidPri Sed Cumulative Class Points as of Sat May 10 01:08:07 2003
 Page 1
Results sorted by position
Pos Car # Vehicle                          Class Pts        O/A Pts

 1    52 Dodge            SRT-4            1305               5595
         Cory O`Brien, Erich Heuschele
 2    63 Subaru           WRX Wagon        1205               5200
         Luke Russell, Jeremy Snyder
 3    19 Mitsubishi       Evolution        1150               5025
         frank jordan, Jon Krolewicz, Brian Dowling
 4    13 Ford             Thunderbird      1120               4915
         Ted Lyons, Mike Hurst
 5    55 Subaru           WRX              1120               4905
         Tom Hoppe, Steven Rankins

 6    60 Subaru           WRX              1050               4725
         Stu Sacks MD, David High, DPM, Pearce Sloan, DPM
 7    59 Mitsubishi       Evolution 8       990               4475
         Mitch Farner, Ryan Farner
 8    56 Lexus            IS300             955               4495
         Mark Love, Reg Riemer
 9    53 Volkswagan       GTI VR6           860               3855
         Michael Potter, Raffi Kazanjian, Paul Grimes
10    62 Subaru           WRX               770               3515
         Jay Holeman, Dave Crockett

11    57 Volkswagan       GTI               710               3040
         Yarrow Thorne, Rudy Rouhana
12    54 BMW              325               535               2215
         Victor Hall, Alex May
13    31 Subaru           WRX               475               2015
         Bill Ellsworth, David Ellsworth
14    66 Chevy            Caprice           380               1395
         Michael Demers, Richard Wells, Jon Martin
15    61 Chevrolet        Caprice           335               1250
         William Porter, Marie Porter

16    32 Volvo            740 Sedan         175                615
         William Cook, Jon Dega, Richard Spicer
17    69 Chevelot         Impala SS           5                  0
         Howard LaFever, Mark Grzella, David Campbell
18    58 BMW              316I              -20               -100
         DANNY ALVIS,



Cumulative Overall Points as of - Sat May 10 01:08:07 2003
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Results sorted by position
Pos Car # Vehicle                          Class            Points

 1     2 chev             MTI  Z-07        SSGT1            6590
         Ronald Adee, John Myrick
 2     4 Chevy            Corvette Z06     SSGT1            6525
         John Boos, Ronald Marks
 3     1 Dodge            Viper            SSGT1            6515
         David Zelkowski, Brian Smith
 4     3 RUF              RGT              SSGT1            6415
         Gary Church, Paul Gerrard
 5     8 Porsche          996 Twin Turbo   SSGT1            6380
         Mark DaVia, Chuck Veth

 6     5 Toyota           Supra Turbo      SSGT1            5945
         Andi Baritchi, Clint Pohler
 7    20 CHEVROLET        CORVETTE ZR1     SSGT1            5665
         Scott Ahlgrim, Steve Ahlgrim
 8    52 Dodge            SRT-4            MidPri Sed       5595
         Cory O`Brien, Erich Heuschele
 9    10 Lamborghini      Diablo           SSGT1            5545
         Karl H. Troy, Mike Appleby
10    50 Audi             S-4              Luxury Sed       5315
         Norman Babcock, Michael Babcock

11    34 Ford             Probe GT         SSGT2            5215
         Greg Hagopian, Stacey Bertran
12    63 Subaru           WRX Wagon        MidPri Sed       5200
         Luke Russell, Jeremy Snyder
13    43 Nissan           350Z             SSGT2            5180
         Carter Thompson, Jeremy Sweeney
14    73 Porsche          911              Vint For         5080
         Glen Clarke, Louis Frlan III
15     6 Dodge            Viper GTS        SSGT1            5040
         Alan Modzelewski, Tom Atherton

16    19 Mitsubishi       Evolution        MidPri Sed       5025
         frank jordan, Jon Krolewicz, Brian Dowling
17    13 Ford             Thunderbird      MidPri Sed       4915
         Ted Lyons, Mike Hurst
18    55 Subaru           WRX              MidPri Sed       4905
         Tom Hoppe, Steven Rankins
19    14 BMW              M5               Luxury Sed       4895
         Roy Hopkins, Nancy Becker
20    72 BMW              Bavaria          Vint For         4830
         Bill Arnold, Tamara Hull

21    28 Porsche          911 TT           SSGT1            4825
         Alan Tackman, Michael Curcio
22     7 Chevrolet        Corvette Z06     SSGT1            4795
         Rodney Sizemore, Rick Sizemore
23    23 BMW              M Coupe          SSGT1            4795
         Ryan Catucci, Lawrence Leff
24    60 Subaru           WRX              MidPri Sed       4725
         Stu Sacks MD, David High, DPM, Pearce Sloan, DPM
25    56 Lexus            IS300            MidPri Sed       4495
         Mark Love, Reg Riemer




Cumulative Overall Points as of - Sat May 10 01:08:07 2003
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Results sorted by position

26    59 Mitsubishi       Evolution 8      MidPri Sed       4475
         Mitch Farner, Ryan Farner
27    11 Chevrolet        Corvette Z06     SSGT1            4390
         George Bruggenthies, Mary Lou Haen, David Dahlin
28    24 BMW              M3               SSGT1            4355
         Greg Read, Edward Hull
29    25 Pontiac          Firebird         SSGT2            4350
         Dan Corcoran, Kyle Corcoran
30    38 Mitsubishi       Eclipse GSX      SSGT2            4160
         Todd Brown, Fred Espinel

31    67 Chevrolet        Camaro Z28       Vint Amer        4115
         MICHAEL HICKMAN, thomas bertino
32    39 Pontiac          Firebird         SSGT2            4020
         Scott Breneman, David A. Groff, Jr.
33    71 Datsun           280Z             Vint For         3985
         Bob Murray, Sheree Murray
34    45 BMW              540i             Luxury Sed       3950
         Steve Stubbs, Jason Marks
35    15 Porsche          Cayenne Turbo    S U V            3945
         Tony Swan, Mary Seelhorst

36    37 Chevrolet        Dynotech Engine  SSGT2            3880
         Mark Joppru, John McElhinny
37    51 Audi             S-4              Luxury Sed       3865
         Rene Richthofen, John W. Wyllie IV
38    53 Volkswagan       GTI VR6          MidPri Sed       3855
         Michael Potter, Raffi Kazanjian, Paul Grimes
39    68 porsche          930              Vint For         3835
         David Goodman, Keith Ibarguen
40    26 Chevrolet        Corvette         SSGT1            3790
         Jeremy Herzberg, Eric Hulshart

41    12 Cheverolet       Mallett Corvett  SSGT1            3685
         JR Amantea, Lance Mallett
42    27 BMW              M Coupe          SSGT1            3640
         Neil Simon, Woody Hair
43    62 Subaru           WRX              MidPri Sed       3515
         Jay Holeman, Dave Crockett
44    77 Saturn           SC1              Econo Car        3425
         Jamin Cummings, Dale Seeley
45    17 Chev Corvette    WINNERS CIRCLE   SSGT1            3275
         Reg Noble, Victor Regalado

46    57 Volkswagan       GTI              MidPri Sed       3040
         Yarrow Thorne, Rudy Rouhana
47    64 Mini             Cooper S         Retro            2990
         Mark Goughnour, Howard Solotroff
48    78 Volkswagen       Jetta 2.0L       Econo Car        2865
         Chris Colucci, Jordan Yakiwchuk, Dan Roncadin
49    70 Datsun           280Z             Vint For         2815
         Matt Hubbard, Gwen Hubbard
50    65 Ford             Mustang          Vint Amer        2740
         George Batejan, Steve Smotrich




Cumulative Overall Points as of - Sat May 10 01:08:07 2003
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51    33 Audi             TT               SSGT1            2725
         Julie Melbin, dan latham
52    41 BMW              M3               SSGT2            2690
         Gregg Evans, Russell Norton MD
53    16 Porsche          Carrera          SSGT1            2660
         Brian Dooley, Carlton Joyce
54    74 Porsche          911C             Vint For         2530
         David Carr, Mark LeRocque
55    30 BMW              M Coupe          SSGT1            2470
         Jim  Rzegocki, Francis Rzegocki

56    35 Pontiac          Firebird Formul  SSGT2            2445
         Chris Boncimino, Philip Peszat
57    82 Chevy            Blazer           S U V            2440
         Glen Dodd, Charles Lovelady, Michael Star
58    75 ford             festiva          Econo Car        2410
         Jack Ireton-Hewitt, Robert Blakemore, Brad Czerkies
59    21 BMW              M Coupe          SSGT1            2265
         Carl Stringer, Peter Stringer
60    22 Porsche          964 Carrera Cup  SSGT1            2265
         robert lynch, Matt Van Bogart
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2004, 03:12:34 PM »
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A friend of mine had a souped up Neon SRT4. Two words.... Torque Steer.

He crashed it into a gaurd rail last Fall. Had nothing to do with racing. \'Twas black ice to blame.


Torque steer occurs on almost ALL FWD cars without equal length drive shafts. And it can/will happen even on those with them, but it really isnt a problem.

your friend sounds like a dumb ass. torque steer isnt that bad of a problem for a driver.
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2004, 03:53:42 PM »
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that\'s crazy, did he have to upgrade the turbos and inject nos or nv20 to get those numbers?  Plus a pretty smooth curve considering it\'s a 4-cyl.  Can u link to the thread of the car owner?

There\'s a guy in the Maxima community who did the same thing.. got over 500tq on the stock block AND stock tranny.. still ran low 12\'s.

ps- we still got FWD cars :(


Thats really nice for a Max. This was on one of the VQ blocks? I think its VQ anyway.

As for his car, this is what I got from him.


GT3040R
Tial 38mm
Tial BOV
Mopar stage 1 ECU
PowerPaq piggy back fuel computer
Griphin intercooler

we start tuning it.. it goes dead lean at 4500rpms.. no fuel..

I bring it back to the shop, and drop in the usual suspects..

Aeromotive A1000 pump
#8 feed
#4 return (from previous tuner)
Precision 880cc Injectors
HONDA Injector resistor

we went back to the dyno to see what the extra fuel would do...

Keep in mind the Engine is COMPLETELY stock. the only thing changed has been the spark plugs and oil.

We will be taking it to the track tomorrow we will see what it does with the power.
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2004, 03:58:29 PM »
Hey, I have no doubt that the SRT4 can be set up to run very effectively on a road course.  In fact, if I recall correctly, they handle pretty well in stock form (compared to most mass production cars).  No need to convince me.

My question is with regards to this particular 524HP Neon.  If you want to go fast in straight line, why use a FWD car?  It seems it would be much easier to start with a different platform.

Of course, I guess that\'s part of the attraction.  Other cars have already been taken to the limits of their potential by other engineers.  Doing it to a Neon is like "going where no man has gone before."  Is that the situation here?  

For me personally, I\'d prefer to start with a Supra or a 300ZX if I wanted to go fast in a straight line.  :)
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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2004, 04:09:38 PM »
It was the way I understood what you posted. my bad. Plus it doesnt hurt to show proof to the other non-believers who can only say its a shitty car or its just a neon(which it shares nothing but a shell) or the famous...its a gay car. Non of that matters when all one see\'s is the tail lights of said gay car. :)

Thats exactly why i got into the 4bangers anyway. I used to be a V8 guy..still am. It\'s just fun as shit to see the looks on the face of the guy with the WS6 TA as you pass him...quickly. :D

I like many many cars. Thats why I dont know what I want to do now. Ive done honDUH..ive done like 6 neons...ive done nissan...ive done DSM. I would like to do a last gen supra, but i dont want to be in the joke. What do 400,500, and 600hp supras have in common? They all run 12\'s :)


So how are things in your corner of the world anyway? I always did enjoy car discussions with you.
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