How to win the battle for hearts & minds…errr not like this

Originally posted by TSina
I just love the double standard when it comes to our proud men and women being displayed in degrading ways, yet it seems to be acceptable for US to do it.

Lets keep this up for another 50 years and count how many more skyscrapers come crashing down or perhaps more embassy bombings.

Im curious to see how this all turns out in the short and long run.

You are refering to people who cut the hands off of theives for stealing and stone women.  :rolleyes:

Throughout history every military has committed what could be considered as human rights abuses.  It happens in almost every war so I don\'t see what the big surprise is.  Battlefield stress has a lot to do with most of these incidents - I don\'t see why such a big deal is being made about this.  In general the US and the UK abide by the Geneva Conventions, do these insurgents?  :rolleyes:

They don\'t subscribe to any rules of warfare and the treatment of prisoners (let alone non combatants) so I really don\'t find any of these incidents a major issue.  The only concern I have is how it is being used for propaganda purposes by the Arab media.

So why is it that we US citizens(as whole had to bitch and complain about the 1st 7 US POW\'s last year, but this was acceptable.  These lunatics were competely embaressed. Not that I really care about them or what happend to them, but that isn\'t the point I am trying to make.

Originally posted by TSina
So why is it that we US citizens(as whole had to bitch and complain about the 1st 7 US POW\'s last year, but this was acceptable.  These lunatics were competely embaressed. Not that I really care about them or what happend to them, but that isn\'t the point I am trying to make.

Two completely separate issues.  One was leaked to the press - one was flouted by the Arab media.  The US DEAD were displayed on Arab TV and flouted in the Arab world as a whole.  The pictures of these chuckleheads were leaked to the press - big difference.

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i see what both giga & tsina are saying but if you\'re the u.s. and if you\'re tryin to win over the iraqi people, this is not the way to do it..if we\'re their as liberators as they want to be called now:rolleyes: you can\'t go around humiliating the prisoners no matter how much shit they\'re poppin\' even if thery\'re tied up...

doing this will make the situation worse than it already is..not to mention that the iraqis that were on the american side up to this point are probably questioning why this is happening & further ignites the insurgents plight more..

that said i know the insurgents are a$$holes anyway but the u.s. have to come off as the bigger person no matter how many soldiers get hung or ridiculed...i\'ve already touched on how soldiers are human & such but they have to maintain their professionalism..or at the very least if you are going to do shit like that just don\'t get caught..

Regardless of if those photos were aired do you really think the Arab world in general would hate us any less?

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Regardless of if those photos were aired do you really think the Arab world in general would hate us any less?

if that\'s the case what are we tryin\' to do here? just say f**k it and whatever happens happens? if soldiers are gettin to the point where they don\'t give a s**t what ripple effects that can happen because of their actions then maybe it\'s time to pack up & just say "mission failed"

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Regardless of if those photos were aired do you really think the Arab world in general would hate us any less?

Nope, but it gives them just one more reason to hate us. It creates 100 more suicide bombers. etc..etc...

PS, they are basically the same a few differences aside. It doesnt make it right and that is the point.

Originally posted by TSina
Nope, but it gives them just one more reason to hate us. It creates 100 more suicide bombers. etc..etc...

PS, they are basically the same a few differences aside. It doesnt make it right and that is the point.

Like they don\'t already have an infinite number of reasons to hate us... I am sure that incident will create 100 new suicide bombers. :rolleyes:

And now there is more.

Have a nice day.

The hearts and minds in Iraq are no onger obtainable

correction...some are no longer.................

Some were never obtainable as well.

its ever changing one way or another.