"Pat (Tillman) isn\'t with God,\'\' he\'s f*cking dead."

Just when we thought we had a pure and simple hero, a millionaire athlete who gave up wealth and fame to become the ideal patriot, to make the ultimate sacrifice, his friends and family complicated everything. They turned Pat Tillman into a human being Monday, showing us what was really lost during that ambush in Afghanistan, insisting that we question every assumption we\'ve made since he died an icon on April 22.

Yes, there were uplifting tales, moments when tears and pride swelled in everyone watching Tillman\'s memorial service at the San Jose Municipal Rose Garden. There were jarring moments, too, and they carried the message of the afternoon -- "challenge yourself" -- more powerfully than those laden with conventional inspiration.

Tillman\'s youngest brother, Rich, wore a rumpled white T-shirt, no jacket, no tie, no collar, and immediately swore into the microphone. He hadn\'t written anything, he said, and with the starkest honesty, he asked mourners to hold their spiritual bromides.

"Pat isn\'t with God,\'\' he said. "He\'s ****ing dead. He wasn\'t religious. So thank you for your thoughts, but he\'s ****ing dead."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/05/04/SPG5K6FD091.DTL

I put this in here as it seems to fit plus it\'s potential to turn into something else that would really fit in here.

Converse........

Sounds like they aren\'t very religious and they\'re tired of people just assuming he was.

Sounds like you hit and missed the point as well.

He is no hero.
He is no NFL star
He is no millionaire
He is  no Army Ranger
He is NO SON
He is NO BROTHER
He is NOTHING now(sort to speak)

The brother is fed up with people making Pat Tillman to be this or that, but none of it matters as he is nothing but a memory and that isn\'t good enough.

God damn media.

I haven\'t been paying much attention to it on tv so of course I would miss that point.  I haven\'t seen what they turned it into.  In fact all I knew is that he died.

Honestly, how can you have not heard or seen what they have turned Pat Tillman into, but yet know who he is?

You really need to ease up.  When he first decided to go into the armed services way back when I read an article about it.  Then I heard about him dying so I knew what the fuss was about but I didn\'t sit down and watch everything on tv.

His brother is jealous and angstful?

I rarely get to "sit down" and watch TV and heard wayyy too much about him. Similar to the first 7 hostages and the Hamill guy. It was just there. So I had to ask the question. I\'m sorry you don\'t like my reasoning.

I didn\'t call you a liar, but asked a legitimate question.


For the record, I don\'t have to do anything I don\'t want to do. Just to keep that straight friend.

Never said you had to anything, you\'ll just fit in better if you aren\'t so brash.

Originally posted by Bozco
You really need to ease up.  

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Never said you had to anything, you\'ll just fit in better if you aren\'t so brash.

Sounds like you did to me? Care to to take back your previous statement and take foot out of mouth?

BTW..I\'m not exactly one to conform to "fit in" if you haven\'t noticed. If you don\'t like what I have to say, you don\'t have to A: read my statements or B: not reply to those statements.

If I feel I\'m not liked or wanted, I\'ll simply move on, but I\'ll never try to "fit in" because someone said so.

Yes, I\'m damn head strong.

I\'d say you\'re more of a bitch.

I said you need to ease up, never said you HAD to ease up.  Backing those headstrong ideals with the ability to read would be nice.  And I\'m not asking you to conform your opinion, just be a little more considerate of others.

I\'ll also add though that its good to have another liberal to argue with on the boards besides SirMystiq.

All of you stop, i dont give a shit who started it but the personal attacks in this forum need to end.

His brother is jealous and angstful?

No he is just tired of the media capitalizing on his brothers death.

Originally posted by Bozco
I said you need to ease up, never said you HAD to ease up.  Backing those headstrong ideals with the ability to read would be nice.  And I\'m not asking you to conform your opinion, just be a little more considerate of others.

Touche...I think I like you already!!

SwifDi..I KNOW I\'m a bitch..wanna try me? Also, Im not as liberal as you may think I am. Pay attention.