25 Prisoners Died While Held by U.S. Forces

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Eh?  Aren\'t we in the Current Events and Political Debate forum?  This thread has not strayed off topic like you and Hamster took the pledge topic.  If you can\'t take an opposing view maybe you should not post here?  You have a problem with me debating your point of view?  You are fed up with me?  I will live :rolleyes:

Yes, we are, but you ALWAYS have something to say to me either in a post or in a PM.

So you are saying you didnt have any part in taking something offtopic? You have and continue to. Dont point fingers if your finger is also dirty.

I dont care if someone opposes me as my posting record has already shown. You seem to be the only issue.

Not really

Yup

Laugh all you want..you make your own impressions.

I PM you when I have to ask you to keep it on topic - I won\'t do so this time - please keep it on topic.

casuality of war

so what

Originally posted by TSina
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=13BYVGQBO3TKACRBAELCFFA?type=topNews&storyID=5038799§ion=news

25 Prisoners Died While Held by U.S. Forces
Tue May 4, 2004 04:24 PM ET

Welcome to war. This is nothing new.

Originally posted by mm
casuality of war

so what

Dang, you posted that seconds after I posted... But yes, me and mm = right.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
I PM you when I have to ask you to keep it on topic - I won\'t do so this time - please keep it on topic.

I have, do the same..............You steady try to bait people, in which case is working right now.(you can have that much) What does it say about you though?


mm- Yes, that is what happens. When said war is senseless, it also makes deaths senseless. So it\'s besides the point. This isn\'t world warII or a civil war.


SwifDi- Im glad you know how to read, see above.

Oh my goodness, war is war. Regardless of for what reason or what motives, the premise is still the same; kill the other side.

I think the point of this war has changed from finding WoMD, to liberation to now fighting Islamic Fundamentalism.  I don\'t see any wrong in this and since they are determined to see the destruction of the US - it is better to fight them on their land than in ours.

SwifDi- it is not that black and white, if you cannot see that, then there is nothing anyone can say to you.

Gigashadow- That is part of the issue. The reasoning was one thing, then it changed when they couldnt prove it, then it changed yet again when it was notcied not as many wanted what we said they wanted.

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I think the point of this war has changed from finding WoMD, to liberation to now fighting Islamic Fundamentalism.  I don\'t see any wrong in this and since they are determined to see the destruction of the US - it is better to fight them on their land than in ours.

this is tru..and it is alarming that the iniatives change daily...and another thing how long can the u.s. last at this pace? as you very well know suicide bombers and islamic fundamentalists that hate the u.s. are born everyday..how do you counter that relentless onslaught when u.s. soldiers tho yes they are brave,..don\'t want to die,..compared to a group that will virtually do anything to see the destruction of the u.s.?

i say the u.s. cannot outlast the onslaught..tho right now i feel they have too,..for the u.s to pack up & leave would be catastrophic for the u.s. here & abroad...bush will make the military stay no-matter how painful the situation may be...

Originally posted by mm
casuality of war

so what

A prisoner of war is no longer a combatant.  The rules of warfare do not apply in this case.  When you take a prisoner, it is your responsibility to ensure their safety according to international law.  Torture and murder of prisoners is illegal.  Even in the case of the 12 who were found to have died of "natural or undetermined causes" this is still a disgrace.  While they are our prisoners, they are our responsibility.  Would you want it any different if you were a prisoner of a foreign nation?

I can\'t believe such a simple concept can be forgotten by our soldiers who are trained in such matters, and by the posters on this forum.

Coredweller- That is what I was trying to say, thank you for clarifying. My mind is in a thousands places at once right now.

All I was stating was I am not surprised... I disagree with the way some prisoners are being treated, however it is just one of the many disappointing factors of war.

US foreign policy creates the terroists that want to kill us. They didn\'t just wake up one day look at a map and randomly pick a country to hate.

Think we need to just relax, stop this stuff in the middle east (except we need to help israel/palestine situation) and focus more on security here. That way we can still stop terroists but at the same time we can stop making ourselves look so evil.

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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
US foreign policy creates the terroists that want to kill us. They didn\'t just wake up one day look at a map and randomly pick a country to hate.

Think we need to just relax, stop this stuff in the middle east (except we need to help israel/palestine situation) and focus more on security here. That way we can still stop terroists but at the same time we can stop making ourselves look so evil.

i agree 100% here. i feel there\'s gotta be a reason why we\'re hated beyond them just being jealous of us..if they are even that..to be fair giga gave me an explanation of why we were so hated and it was a good read,..he really had some valid points (i don\'t remembber what thread it was in ) but ultimately i still feel our policies over in the arab world at least probabaly aren\'t balanced...

Foreign policy is only a part of the reason.  Today, many Arabic countries are a political and economic disaster; in a world increasingly democratic and prosperous.

They rage at the loss of prestige and wonder why they are so often defeated and humiliated by the west. They
ask how this can happen if they are blessed by God. Since Allah cannot be at fault, who is? Worse still, how
can it be that Americans who are “filled with drugs, sex, and crime” are so powerful?  These fundamentalists tend to blame "non-believers" for their problems.

These people merge hatred, terrorism and the targeting of civilians with religion.  Regardless of what is going on in Iraq these people will hate us for our lifestyle due to the fact we are not Muslim and don\'t follow their misguided beliefs.  To say that our foreign policy is to blame is ignorant as well as assuming we will be safe from attack if we pull out of the region.  

Our policies regarding Israel and the Arab world will never be balanced when you have countries like Saudi Arabia who in one breath say they are our ally and in the next covertly support our enemy in war.