beheading of an american..

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Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
No, would rather be humilaited then killed, but on a political and global scale... Humiliation pisses them off just as much as murder.

he hit it right on the nose..just because those of us in the western culture feels this was wrong and it is doesn\'t mean in the same token that they abide by what we think is atrocious..again it goes back to how they live and thier culture...this is why acts of this nature is nothing to them..to us yes it\'s wrong but in some countries they\'ll cut your hand off for stealing...

noy trying to change thier society

want to see our civialians safe from horrible murder (mismemberment on public TV)

if that involves shooting every last iraqi soldier, do it

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster

Violance cannot stop violance, (genocide can, but i not think that\'s a good answer) We just need to stop the chain of war and attack and just let it go, change our foreign policy, and try to be less intrusive.

WRONG  What stopped the Korean War?  What stopped World War II?  World War I?  Butterflies and rainbows?

Less intrusive?  As in flying two airlplanes into two symbols of America\'s success and flying a third into the building that houses the top military leaders of this country?  

I think you forget how this all started.  No 9/11 - No Iraq, no Afghanistan, no deaths.  We were attacked - not the other way around.  

Did diplomacy work with Saddam?  What do you suggest changing our foreign policy to?  Turn the other cheek?

We go to middle east > then they attack us > we go back > they attack us > we go back

We just have to not go there anymore, if we want to save lives, have better foreign policy and work on our security on our own soil.

giga is right

i would never advocate it, but a single nuke would end this "jihad"

those animals only know two things, hate and violence

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
We go to middle east > then they attack us > we go back > they attack us > we go back

We just have to not go there anymore, if we want to save lives, have better foreign policy and work on our security on our own soil.

So your idea is to turn the other cheek.  Let them pull all the 9/11\'s they want and do nothing except try and beef up our security.  I think Ace suggested your solution yesterday - tell me when you develop the forcefield.

WRONG What stopped the Korean War? What stopped World War II? World War I? Butterflies and rainbows?

Less intrusive? As in flying two airlplanes into two symbols of America\'s success and flying a third into the building that houses the top military leaders of this country?

I think you forget how this all started. No 9/11 - No Iraq, no Afghanistan, no deaths. We were attacked - not the other way around.

Did diplomacy work with Saddam? What do you suggest changing our foreign policy to? Turn the other cheek?

Yes. that is what i believe. I do not believe in revenge.

War cannot stop TERRORISM, violance? maybe... but terrorism, not so. You cannot kill terrorism.

Originally posted by mm
giga is right

i would never advocate it, but a single nuke would end this "jihad"

I wouldn\'t cry.

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
WRONG  What stopped the Korean War?  What stopped World War II?  World War I?  Butterflies and rainbows?

Less intrusive?  As in flying two airlplanes into two symbols of America\'s success and flying a third into the building that houses the top military leaders of this country?  

I think you forget how this all started.  No 9/11 - No Iraq, no Afghanistan, no deaths.  We were attacked - not the other way around.  

Did diplomacy work with Saddam?  What do you suggest changing our foreign policy to?  Turn the other cheek?

sorry giga u.s. policies over seas years before 911 is what caused the buildup to 911..

diplomacy was working with saddam bush just didn\'t give the inspectors time to finish the job...don\'t you feel that even by now they should have recovered something regarding wmd\'s yet still over a year and nothing...

*damn there have been at least 4 responses already i type slow as hell..

i would, giga

i dont condone mass destruction like that

sure it ended the japanese threat years ago, but it still leaves it\'s mark ever today

 So your idea is to turn the other cheek. Let them pull all the 9/11\'s they want and do nothing except try and beef up our security. I think Ace suggested your solution yesterday - tell me when you develop the forcefield.

 

Most of what makes us safer now is being done in the FBI/CIA/America..... Invading Iraq makes us less safe.

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this is going a wee bit off topic..i don\'t remember where i\'ve seen it but i was watching a short story a soldier from iraq was giving & he stated there was an incident where he came face to face with a child holding a AK & he stated it was either me or him and he shot him..he said he felt extremely bad about it & states that he has nightmares about it all the time..

i say that to show how they raise their children to be like that...but i honestly have to say that imo that is bulls**t to send your child thats 6 or 7 yrs old into combat...it makes no sense to me..probably because i have kids of my own & would never think of doing such a thing...but this is how some are raised & the parents nor the child has a problem with it...

i think the u.s. is the greatest country in the world..it\'s not perfect by a long shot but i just worry how they conduct their policies over seas to protect that image...

Originally posted by clips
sorry giga u.s. policies over seas years before 911 is what caused the buildup to 911..

diplomacy was working with saddam bush just didn\'t give the inspectors time to finish the job...don\'t you feel that even by now they should have recovered something regarding wmd\'s yet still over a year and nothing...

*damn there have been at least 4 responses already i type slow as hell..

So by aiding Israel we deserved 9/11?  :rolleyes:

Diplomacy was working with Saddam - what alternate reality did you come from?

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Most of what makes us safer now is being done in the FBI/CIA/America..... Invading Iraq makes us less safe.

That is a nice example of an oxymoron...

Isn\'t it the CIA who provided the intelligence that persuaded Bush to go into Iraq?  Isn\'t it a CIA agent who has killed at least one Iraqi prisoner that you and clips have been whining about?

Isn\'t it a combination of the two agencies you mentioned that failed to uncover the 9/11 plot?

I feel real safe. :rolleyes:

The middle east is a ticking time bomb.  We were bound to go over there one day, admit it.  Saddam conquering other countries just so he can have more wealth, Osama terrorizing people who gets in his way (not just limited to the US), f*ckheads developing nerve gases and other weapons...

I think if no one would have stepped in one or two dictators would amass so much wealth they\'d try to pull another WW, twisting Islamic ideals to fit their own agenda.