blair states wmd\'s may never be found..

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Originally posted by clips
repent! my son..so that ye may yet be saved! i will steer you towards the light!..the liberal light that is!

[Darth Vader voice]If you only knew the power of the dark side[/Darth Vader voice]

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Originally posted by Coredweller
Ouch!  I have a feeling that\'s going to rile Giga.  

The truth does hurt.

Coming from someone who thinks Bush should be on trial instead of Saddam... :rolleyes:  

Addressing LIC\'s accusation - prove it.  Where have I distorted any facts?  Name the facts I have altered.  Apparently I do it all the time so this should be easy for you.  Please provide all of us with details.  It also had better be more than one instance as everyone makes mistakes including myself.  Being on the defensive - with idiotic statements like the ones you and certain others make, is it any wonder?

There are those in here who completely disagree with me, yet they are able to counter my opinion with their own and back it up.  Unfortunately, not many do.

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Coming from someone who thinks Bush should be on trial instead of Saddam... :rolleyes:  

Addressing LIC\'s accusation - prove it.  Where have I distorted any facts?  Name the facts I have altered.  Apparently I do it all the time so this should be easy for you.  Please provide all of us with details.  It also had better be more than one instance as everyone makes mistakes including myself.  Being on the defensive - with idiotic statements like the ones you and certain others make, is it any wonder?

There are those in here who completely disagree with me, yet they are able to counter my opinion with their own and back it up.  Unfortunately, not many do.

Let\'s get a couple things straight.

(1) Yes, I feel that Bush should be held accountable for the lives of the soliders he sent to war, based on lies. He sent them there on the idea that there was WMD - where are they? Nowhere to be found. We have lost soliders, soliders that Bush is responsible for, due to his inability to tell the truth and lead a country.


(2) You must think it is un-patrotic to question our President, I however feel different. Fact is, in my iopinion , our President has not done one single thing that defines him as a leader. We still have not caught the man who hit us the hardest. Instead, he had us divert out attention and military power to a war without a cause!

(3) You made a comment in a previous thread that all of Moore\'s documentry was nothing but "so and so , knew so and so, who knew this person..who knew Osama!". I\'m sorry, but it is called "connecting the dots". Police do it all the time. Ever heard the phrase "birds of a feather, flock together"? If so, you would realize that the very fact we can link Bush with so many questionable people , means there is something wrong inside the Oval Office. Do you honestly feel comfortable with the fact that Bush can be linked with all this things that border on criminal? Or do you just like being blind to the facts?

(4) People made such a big deal out of Clinton\'s lying about sexual relations in the WhiteHouse, but we turn another eye to Bush\'s constant lying and spin-doctoring. The Bush Adminstration has done nothing for the USA, except maintain a constant fear with the stupid "terror alert" system. Fear is control and that is how the Bush Adminstration has been running the American People!

(5) I fully expect you to pull something from your ass and defend the Bush Adminstration and that is fine. I can\'t change your opinion and you can\'t change mine. All we can do is argue what we think are the facts. I do know, however that when election time comes, I will vote for the other party and while I am not a Kerry supporter, I would rather have anyone in the office other than Bush.

(6) Don\'t you find it odd we can\'t find Osama - but yet we are constantly getting these new bits of information on his where-abouts and current plans? Give me a break.. I honestly believe we are not looking for him that odd. How else do you explain the fact we can find a man hiding in a hole, but we can\'t find a man who his kidney problems and needs medical attention once a week?!!? You also don\'t find it odd that it went from wanting Osama "dead or alive" to "I don\'t really think about Osama". Bush\'s attitude has changed for a reason. Then again, you probably don\'t find it odd that our President took the chance to do a pubilicity stunt while we was under attack on 9/11.

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This is why I like being moderate conservative. I accept both sides of the bullshit (just more on the conservative side )

Figures... can\'t answer my response to your accusations.  Instead I get a diatribe on how you can\'t stomach casualties, share the beliefs of Tim Robbins in the "no blood for oil" slogan, how you believe some far flung tale of fiction of a guy that knew some guy that knew Bin Laden, etc...

Do you magically think that Islamic fundamentalism will end if Bin Laden is captured or killed?  Don\'t kid yourself and stop diverting attention to one person when it is a movement we are fighting.

Bush\'s reaction on 9/11 a publicity stunt?  Sorry don\'t see it.  I will tell you what is really sickening - Moore making money off of 9/11.

I won\'t go on... I think far flung liberals such as yourself do the Democrats more harm than good.

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Yeah - we all know Dick is making any money off the war.

:rolleyes:

I personally think stuck up, ignorant Republicans like yourself do America no good - but that\'s all opinion, right? Bright side of America is we both can have opinions and argue them - we both can agree on that, now can\'t we?

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Don\'t kid yourself and stop diverting attention to one person when it is a movement we are fighting.

EXACTLY!!! Why did they divert attention to Saddam when we set out to stop Al Qaeda and stomp out terrorism. We ALL know that the two(Saddam + Al Qaeda) have nothing to do with each other. VERY good point. Thank you for setting these folks straight.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Bush\'s reaction on 9/11 a publicity stunt?  Sorry don\'t see it.  I will tell you what is really sickening - Moore making money off of 9/11.

Answer ONE question for me.

Do you really think Michael Moore making a couple million off of a film questioning the Bush administration(which you feel uses false information) is worse than a BILLION dollar industry that panders to the fear of another massive terrorist attack(which is less likely than Michael Moore visiting Bush in the Whitehouse)?

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Once again, Thank God someone knows what I was saying.

Stop diverting attention to one person? Give me a break, Giga. It was our President who put all the attention on Osama and then magically diverted it Iraq and Saddam - even tho\' there is no true crediable link bewteen Saddam and Osama. Or better yet - why should we, the American people quit paying attention to the person who sat up the single worst attack on American soil? Oh right - it\'s a movement we are fighitng..:rolleyes: We\'re not fighting anything now\'a\'days, \'cept for Iraqi people who do not want us in their country. And we all know it was the Iraqi people who came over and flew the planes into the Twin Towers on 9/11.

Are you not the one ranting about how we haven\'t caught Bin Laden?!?  You do realize that we have caught numerous Al Qaeda members right?  

Is there no link between the old Iraq regime and terrorism?  Go ahead and believe what you will, but if you think there isn\'t once again you are wrong.  You two are wrong on so many levels.  We are fighting a movement not just one person - of course fighting a movement does involve hunting down individuals.  Stop arguing symantics.

As for BS\'s claim that the Bush Administration is making billions off of fear... prove it.  Bush has nothing to gain over terror attacks and it is insulting and disrespectful to make the accusation that our President is making money off of the fears of America\'s citizens.  You say there will not be another major terrorist attack on American soil?  That is naive and arrogant to think that just because they did it once they won\'t do it again.  Thank God people like you aren\'t in the chain the command.

Michael Moore has used 9/11 for his own political purposes and made a profit on the deaths of the individuals who died that day.  Tell me where was Michael Moore on 9/11 - what did he do to help the crisis?  Here is what he was doing not long afterward:

"Edward Koch, the former Democratic Mayor of New York City, writes:

A year after 9/11, I was part of a panel discussion on BBC-TV’s “Question Time” show which aired live in the United Kingdom. A portion of my commentary at that time follows:

“One of the panelists was Michael Moore…During the warm-up before the studio audience, Moore said something along the lines of “I don’t know why we are making so much of an act of terror. It is three times more likely that you will be struck by lightning than die from an act of terror.”…I mention this exchange because it was not televised, occurring as it did before the show went live. It shows where he was coming from long before he produced “Fahrenheit 9/11.”

The above is from an article mm linked a few days ago.  Yeah Moore was real concerned about 9/11 - I guess not as concerned as should have been until he saw the $$$$ that were to be made.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Is there no link between the old Iraq regime and terrorism?  Go ahead and believe what you will, but if you think there isn\'t once again you are wrong.  You two are wrong on so many levels.  We are fighting a movement not just one person - of course fighting a movement does involve hunting down individuals.

Of course there was a link between Iraq and (the broad generalized sweeping term) terrorism. There was NOT, however, a link to AL Qaeda. Al Qaeda being the terrorist group that planned and implemented the attacks on 9/11 (I\'m sure you\'ve heard of them). There are links between almost every major government in the world and terrorism. After 9/11 we set out to respond to the unprovoked attacks on our soil. All we heard was how we would find the people who did this and such-and-such would pay. How that turns into a RANDOM attack on Iraq makes no sense to me and the fact that so many conservatives vehemently defend that decision baffles me.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
As for BS\'s claim that the Bush Administration is making billions off of fear... prove it.  Bush has nothing to gain over terror attacks and it is insulting and disrespectful to make the accusation that our President is making money off of the fears of America\'s citizens.  You say there will not be another major terrorist attack on American soil?  That is naive and arrogant to think that just because they did it once they won\'t do it again.  Thank God people like you aren\'t in the chain the command.

I never said anything about the Bush Administration making billions. It is my fault for not being more specific though. I was talking about the hundreds of "Security" companies that sprung up. The same companies that sell parachutes for jumping off of an attacked skyscraper or gas masks that people can keep in their pocketbooks. These people have created an industry that feeds off of the country\'s fear.

It was a bit hasty to say another terrorist attack is extremely unlikely; but what does it mean if another massive attack were to happen on US soil? Doesn\'t that mean that everything the government has been doing for the past 3+ years has meant nothin at all?

Conservatives have an impediment to progress since the beginning of time.

If an attack is going to happen it will most likely happen no matter how prepared we are and no matter who is in office do you not agree?

Having a more rational approach with plausible accusations and statements goes a lot farther than stating everything is one big conspiracy.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
If an attack is going to happen it will most likely happen no matter how prepared we are and no matter who is in office do you not agree?

I agree. Still, what does that say about all of these terror alerts/code reds/patriot acts?

mjps said what I think in this post:

http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=34233

I think they are worthy of having.

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They are stupid and are used for nothing but to make to the Bush Adminstration look like they are on top of the ball, when we all know they aren\'t. I love how you can almost time it. every two months or so the Bush Adminstration puts out an extremely vague warning about terrorist attacks and new insider information on Bin Laden. It\'s bullshit.

Tho\', I would love to live in the magical world you live in!:)